Which cam for my 110" ?

[GRam]

Building up the 110" a bit this spring. Already have the HD mva heads and 10.5 pistons, along with 259e installed.
Here's what else I've got so far :
58 HPI elliptical with bigger nozzles (5.3 I believe?)
S&S premium lifters
S&S roller rockers
Woods 408-6 cams
AIM clutch

Now I thought using the 408 would be a slam dunk, but now I'm seeing a few dyne runs with the new Woods 999, and they look like another strong choice. Real good tq early, and the hp hangs on late as well. Nice thing is I wouldn't have to necessarily run the roller rockers, and chamfer out rocker boxes to make em work.
Any thoughts between the two cams in question? Pros/cons of each?
Thanks!

[2006FXDCI]

I've ran the 408-6 , makes decent power but it is NOISY ! I dont think at 10.5 to 1 you have enough squeeze for the 999 . Jamie from Fuel Moto said 11 to 1 is where it's happy .

[Jaycee1964]

What year, model bike is it?  Ridding style? 1up 2up, hot rod?

[TorQuePimp]

  If you saw a sheet for a 999 and think you will get there....think again

  Think T-man 590

[GRam]

Jaycee : 92% solo. Like to jackass it up a bit, for sure. Some steady cruising, but when the need for it calls, love running it up and seeing what my money bought lol.  2013 CVO RG.

Why you say that TorQue? Not sure what you mean? Never posted any #'s that I saw, just saying I thought they were impressive.. The 110 can't make decent #'s what you're saying? Not ruling any other cams out, have looked at the Tman as well, they are on the list. Possibly the Woods TW9's too...

2006FDXCI : Whichever cams I decide to go with, will make sure compression etc is set dead nuts on for that setup. The local dealer that did the install originally assembled a box of parts, and not built an engine.  Don't want to pay for labour etc a third time. Looking now to "do it once, do it right".

[harleytuner]

I'm running the GMR 577 cams in my 110, 55mm HPI, Headwork, Fatcat, Vision tuner.

[GRam]

That's a real solid looking combo HT, will have to add that to the growing list of options, thanks for the input !!

[sfmichael]

GMR 577, T-Man 590, Kuryakyn TC24D ...and several others

[Dodgy]

I have just done an upgrade on my '09 CVO Fat Bob and I'm please with the results.

Bored to 113"
10.5 SE pistons
Heads ported by local guy and cc'd to 92cc (no chance to stock valve size)
58mm HPI Tb with 6.2 injectors
Reaper 630 cams
D&D Bobcat

Shreads the rear tyre!!

[harleytuner]

That's a real solid looking combo HT, will have to add that to the growing list of options, thanks for the input !!

Thanks, I like it a lot.  As soon as I get the time to fix my clutch issue i'll finish the tune.  There's a little left in it.

[Don D]

There is nothing wrong with the 259 unless you want to make greater than 125hp/tq
If so run the tman 662-2 at 11:1

[harleytuner]

I agree.  The 259E works great. I'm running 11.1:! compression is why I took mine out. But around 10.5 the 259 is really nice.

[Springer110]

Other than the noise, is there something really wrong with the 408-6? I have this cam and am still trying to get mine where I have seen others.

I think the 50mm screaming eagle TB is where my problem is now. This is in an 09 CVO Springer @ 10.8:1 /w RB LSR2-1

[Don D]

You would be amazed how much better a lower lift wider lsa cam would work and the noise reduction would just be icing on the cake.

[TorQuePimp]

define wide

[No Cents]

   

[Tq Monster]

I'd actually like to hear why the tw-999 won't work the OP mentioned he's willing to raise his compression to accommodate for what that particular cam needs

[joe_lyons]

This was a 113 kit with 408-6 cams

[harleytuner]

I'd actually like to hear why the tw-999 won't work the OP mentioned he's willing to raise his compression to accommodate for what that particular cam needs

I don't think he meant they won't work , just don't expect to see some of the "claimed" numbers on them.  At least that's how I took it   

[TorQuePimp]

I'd actually like to hear why the tw-999 won't work the OP mentioned he's willing to raise his compression to accommodate for what that particular cam needs

I don't think he meant they won't work , just don't expect to see some of the "claimed" numbers on them.  At least that's how I took it 

  That would be the fact of the matter

[2006FXDCI]

After rereading your post and seeing your riding style and willing to set compression i would vote for tman 590 or mackie 598 

[Tq Monster]

Ok I see I went back and read the post and you both are correct   

[GRam]

Not sure if attachment of my recent dyno run will show or not, results were laughable imo.
Shop foreman at the local HD dealer that did the work/dyno tells me "we just got a brake put on our dyno recently.."
And in the back of my head, I'm thinking "isn't that all a dyno is? How were you able to load the bike to do the tune last year??"
If the attachment didn't work, results were 105/112 lol.

[StarwalkerP]

Im running SE 251's in a 2010 ultra limited. 110"
110 ported/Ported/polished heads
58mm TB. Hi flow injectors. 58mm ventilator A/C
10.5/1 pistons. D&D Boarzillas. SE pro tuner

Im at work& can't produce the dyno copy here but its doing 130 Hp/128 tq.
But my dyno sheet looks almost identical to Joe-Lyon' sheet & the 408-6 cams. On the 251 Not much going on below 2800 rpm. I am very impressed & interested  in Harleytuners dyno sheet. Man, I would love to see my ttorque that high at those low rpm. On the GMR-577's. Don't get me wrong Im used to mine now and pretty happy. Its a beast. But I Heard my 251 are almost same as the 259. so I wanted the Op to know how the 251 plays out. Im a very aggressive rider and drag race a bit.  But those GMR577 look like a really good all around top to bottom answerMy builder said he got. Little better low end torque numbers with 251s verses 259s

[ndmp40]

Those heads like the lift, you should take advantage of that.  The 408 will work well, but they are noisy.  A bit pipe sensitive from what I have seen.   I would use them since you have them, and change later if you don't like the noise. 
If you go another route, consider the Tman 660SM.

[No Cents]

a cam compliable to the 408-6...with way less noise and similar results would be the Tman 625.

Ray

[1FSTRK]

a cam compliable to the 408-6...with way less noise and similar results would be the Tman 625.

Ray

Or the 662-1

[No Cents]

 
another good one.

[N-gin]

Those heads like the lift, you should take advantage of that.  The 408 will work well, but they are noisy.  A bit pipe sensitive from what I have seen.   I would use them since you have them, and change later if you don't like the noise. 
If you go another route, consider the Tman 660SM.

I like the midrange of those cams.
Seriously thinking I would rather have a top end cams instead. But that's just me and my mouse 107

[GRam]

Sorry was on holidays, thanks for all the replies/suggestions!
Looking to do it once and for all, so hoping I can make the proper choice first time.
Perhaps shelve the 408's for a Dyna project, and go with a tman grind? I do do a fair amount
of long distance rides, so something on the quieter side would be a bonus for sure..

[Jaycee1964]

a cam compliable to the 408-6...with way less noise and similar results would be the Tman 625.

Ray

Or the 662-1

That would be my choice!   

[FlaHeatWave]

a cam compliable to the 408-6...with way less noise and similar results would be the Tman 625.

Ray

Or the 662-1

Another fan of the T-Man 625s here...

That would be my choice!   

[GRam]

Took the advice of many, and ordered a set of the Tman 625 earlier today.
Neither the tech, nor myself, were overly comfortable with maxing the heads out at .650 with the 408's..
This will leave some fudge factor left over, and from all I've seen, should produce a real nice runner, stoked!
Will post results when I get it all back up and running/tuned. Thanks for all the insight...

[Matt C]

Took the advice of many, and ordered a set of the Tman 625 earlier today.
Neither the tech, nor myself, were overly comfortable with maxing the heads out at .650 with the 408's..
This will leave some fudge factor left over, and from all I've seen, should produce a real nice runner, stoked!
Will post results when I get it all back up and running/tuned. Thanks for all the insight...

I think you're going to like those, allot.

[sfmichael]

Took the advice of many, and ordered a set of the Tman 625 earlier today.
Neither the tech, nor myself, were overly comfortable with maxing the heads out at .650 with the 408's..
This will leave some fudge factor left over, and from all I've seen, should produce a real nice runner, stoked!
Will post results when I get it all back up and running/tuned. Thanks for all the insight...

[GRam]

Yup I'm super excited to get it all buttoned up again 
I'm expecting it to hit harder, earlier, and pack out the big end a bit better, should be a win-win in my books!
Buddy has a 107 that right now steadily pulls away from me, can't have that,
hopefully I've closed the gap  hahaha

[Ohio HD]

I'm running the GMR 577 cams in my 110, 55mm HPI, Headwork, Fatcat, Vision tuner.

Chad, are you running 11:1 with the 577 cams?

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,79833.msg889045.html#msg889045

[harleytuner]

I'm running the GMR 577 cams in my 110, 55mm HPI, Headwork, Fatcat, Vision tuner.

Chad, are you running 11:1 with the 577 cams?

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,79833.msg889045.html#msg889045

Yes, the only change from the previous build was the cams and TB.  I haven't checked CCP on it with the 577's yet but with the 259E's it with around 225

[Ohio HD]

I'm running the GMR 577 cams in my 110, 55mm HPI, Headwork, Fatcat, Vision tuner.

Chad, are you running 11:1 with the 577 cams?

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,79833.msg889045.html#msg889045

Yes, the only change from the previous build was the cams and TB.  I haven't checked CCP on it with the 577's yet but with the 259E's it with around 225

Thanks!   

I've just have been looking over some 110 configurations if / when I need to do something with my Ultra motor. My other bike is a 117, and if I get into the Ultra at some point, I want a fairly conservative torque motor, and have interest in the GMR 577 cams as well.

[Ohio HD]

By the way Chad, very nice chart, and the torque curve is awesome!   

[harleytuner]

By the way Chad, very nice chart, and the torque curve is awesome!   

Thanks, it's fun to ride.  These are my favorite cams in this bike so far.  It only has the AIM lock up and it's slipping below 4K also, so there might be a little more torque in it.  I have a AIM CF2 clutch ordered for a customer, when it gets here i'll decide if i'm getting one for me or not.  It looks like one hell of a nice set up, but at $2100 retail that's a lot of coin.  lol

[C-Cat]

my choice would be Crane 296. They do great in 107's@10.7-10.8 compression. My guess is they will be even better on a 110, especially down low. They just seem to produce better #'s than other cams our local hot rod shop has tried, not to mention cheaper price than Woods, T-Man cams. Someone had a 113 on here using them that made great #'s, around 130 ft. lbs. and they're quiet, pull best  mid to top. A tough one to match IMO.

[ndmp40]

my choice would be Crane 296. They do great in 107's@10.7-10.8 compression. My guess is they will be even better on a 110, especially down low. They just seem to produce better #'s than other cams our local hot rod shop has tried, not to mention cheaper price than Woods, T-Man cams. Someone had a 113 on here using them that made great #'s, around 130 ft. lbs. and they're quiet, pull best  mid to top. A tough one to match IMO.

Yes.  Its a good choice for a hotrod 107.  I have them in my 117 touring motor and they make great power without being the least bit finicky.