Baker or S.E + Compensaver

[azlou66]

I need to replace my compensator so am I better off with the Baker which is new to market or the latest greatest SE with a Compensaver I would really like to do this once and be done for a whole lot of miles so what do you guys think?

[Ohio HD]

I can't speak about the Baker, I've never used one, but as far as I know, there has not been any real high miles placed on one and the findings reported, they're so new. But if you buy the SE, you can add a Compensaver oil tray. True it's an additional cost, but they insure lube to the parts that need it.

I'm running the old style SE with the old style Compensaver, 22,000 + miles so far and it's hanging in there. Lots of hard miles with my 117 inch bike.

http://www.compensaver.com/ 

[azlou66]

Hey Buckeye thanks for responding.
If I go with the S.E. I will run a Compensaver with it.
Sounds like you have had good results with that set up.
O-H
I'm from Cleveland, been out in Phoenix last 11 years.

[Ohio HD]

I lived in Phoenix 2008 through 2011, I'm not allowed back....     

By the way, I ran ATF in the primary for about half those miles. With the Compensaver it still lived. Running Bel-Ray Gear Saver now. Clutch likes it even better than ATF.


http://www.belray.com/bel-ray-gear-saver-transmission-oil

[PoorUB]

I am running HD's latest version with the HD oil cup. I had it apart after about 11,000 miles and it looked like new. It did need some shims added to quiet it down.

[azlou66]

I run ATF with my Energy One clutch, B&M Trickshift.
When I ordered the clutch pack I called before their normal business hours, I forgot CA was an hour behind AZ.
The guy who answered the phone was real nice and really knew his "Potty mouth" we talked for about 20 minutes.
Well after we spoke I told him I'd like to order a clutch pack from him, he told me he didn't know how to process the order on their system and asked if he could take my info and someone would process it after 0800 his time.
Great guy, I figured he was just one of the guys that shows up to work early, nope he was the owner.
Told me he worked for Barnett for a bunch of years before hanging his own shingle.

[rageglide]

Cheaper to go Baker.  But the SE with Compensaver is also working for guys. 

My SE Comp needs a shim or two.  I'll be adding as needed while I fix my other problem...

[azlou66]

I lived in Phoenix 2008 through 2011, I'm not allowed back....     

By the way, I ran ATF in the primary for about half those miles. With the Compensaver it still lived. Running Bel-Ray Gear Saver now. Clutch likes it even better than ATF.


http://www.belray.com/bel-ray-gear-saver-transmission-oil

Man you must have had one hell of a good time here, I've been trying to get escorted to the border but haven't found anyone up to the task yet.

[Ohio HD]

If you're going to continue to run ATF, then it's a no brainer to me to use the SE and the Compensaver. You could call Baker and see what they say about ATF and their unit, but I bet they say they wouldn't recommend it. What I found with the Barnett carbon fiber discs was ATF would cause a chatter when slipping the clutch to launch under power. The Bel-Ray doesn't and it lubes the primary components better. 

[Ohio HD]

I lived in Phoenix 2008 through 2011, I'm not allowed back....     

By the way, I ran ATF in the primary for about half those miles. With the Compensaver it still lived. Running Bel-Ray Gear Saver now. Clutch likes it even better than ATF.


http://www.belray.com/bel-ray-gear-saver-transmission-oil

Man you must have had one hell of a good time here, I've been trying to get escorted to the border but haven't found anyone up to the task yet.

I'll send my EX your way, she's not afraid of you....     

[azlou66]

Cheaper to go Baker.  But the SE with Compensaver is also working for guys. 

My SE Comp needs a shim or two.  I'll be adding as needed while I fix my other problem...

I should have stated earlier my bike is an 08, is my rotor compatible with the Baker???

[azlou66]

I lived in Phoenix 2008 through 2011, I'm not allowed back....     

By the way, I ran ATF in the primary for about half those miles. With the Compensaver it still lived. Running Bel-Ray Gear Saver now. Clutch likes it even better than ATF.


http://www.belray.com/bel-ray-gear-saver-transmission-oil

Man you must have had one hell of a good time here, I've been trying to get escorted to the border but haven't found anyone up to the task yet.

I'll send my EX your way, she's not afraid of you....     

OH HELL NO.......... Meanest toughest person I know is my x, all 4' 10" of her, I'm still scared........
Thanks for the heads up on the Bel-Ray used there earls back in my dirt bike days.

[No Cents]

 my 08 FLHX with the older style CompensaVer installed and SE comp, with the Primo Game Changer 32 tooth sprocket, and a Bandit clutch.

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Ray

[Ohio HD]

Hey! I have an '08 FLHX too! 

It's got a 117 incher, you ever try one Ray?   


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[No Cents]

 a 117"er 
I never heard of them before.    ...what will they think of next

Ray

[azlou66]

Sure you guys had to start talking inches didn't ya
I'm a small motor guy at 107, yes I have inch envy.
I think I'll go with the current S.E. and Compensaver for now, need longevity reports on the Baker assembly.

[Ohio HD]

Sure you guys had to start talking inches didn't ya
I'm a small motor guy at 107, yes I have inch envy.
I think I'll go with the current S.E. and Compensaver for now, need longevity reports on the Baker assembly.

I think a wise decision.       

[azlou66]

I lived in Phoenix 2008 through 2011, I'm not allowed back....     

By the way, I ran ATF in the primary for about half those miles. With the Compensaver it still lived. Running Bel-Ray Gear Saver now. Clutch likes it even better than ATF.


http://www.belray.com/bel-ray-gear-saver-transmission-oil

Man you left me hanging on an O-H
WHAT'S UP WITH THAT

[Ohio HD]

azlou66, don't know if you saw this or not.


http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,84212.msg945468.html#msg945468

[azlou66]

Sure you guys had to start talking inches didn't ya
I'm a small motor guy at 107, yes I have inch envy.
I think I'll go with the current S.E. and Compensaver for now, need longevity reports on the Baker assembly.

I think a wise decision.       

Sometimes I make those in spite of myself.
Thanks for the input.......

I need a barn      to build in .
Love what you got going on Ray.

[azlou66]

azlou66, don't know if you saw this or not.


http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,84212.msg945468.html#msg945468

Yeah I did, thanks for the reminder.
I talked to Steve years ago when he was still in Prescott, real nice guy, I'll be calling him in the A.M.

[Ohio HD]

By the way, here's when I reported on the Compensaver at 5,119 miles while ATF was in there, looks pretty good I thought. I haven't had it open since then, like I had said, I have 22,000 + miles now. When ever I do open it next, I'll post pics of what I find.

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,68275.msg735142.html#msg735142

[azlou66]

By the way, here's when I reported on the Compensaver at 5,119 miles while ATF was in there, looks pretty good I thought. I haven't had it open since then, like I had said, I have 22,000 + miles now. When ever I do open it next, I'll post pics of what I find.

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,68275.msg735142.html#msg735142

Can't argue with results like that.

[rageglide]

If you're going to continue to run ATF, then it's a no brainer to me to use the SE and the Compensaver. You could call Baker and see what they say about ATF and their unit, but I bet they say they wouldn't recommend it. What I found with the Barnett carbon fiber discs was ATF would cause a chatter when slipping the clutch to launch under power. The Bel-Ray doesn't and it lubes the primary components better.

I was thinking about this a little...  I've been running ATF in 3 of my bikes over for 15 or so years.  One of the compensators has well over 200k miles on it, shovelhead with sealed primary, ATF and traditional compensator.  My hotrod 2005 95" twinkie never had any issues with the comp either.  No excessive wear that I ever observed.   I realize these are just a couple data points.

It would be interesting to hear what Baker says about ATF because I have never had any problems at all.  The new compensator theoretically should hold up the same as the tried and true HD version.  no? 

[Ohio HD]

If you're going to continue to run ATF, then it's a no brainer to me to use the SE and the Compensaver. You could call Baker and see what they say about ATF and their unit, but I bet they say they wouldn't recommend it. What I found with the Barnett carbon fiber discs was ATF would cause a chatter when slipping the clutch to launch under power. The Bel-Ray doesn't and it lubes the primary components better.

I was thinking about this a little...  I've been running ATF in 3 of my bikes over for 15 or so years.  One of the compensators has well over 200k miles on it, shovelhead with sealed primary, ATF and traditional compensator.  My hotrod 2005 95" twinkie never had any issues with the comp either.  No excessive wear that I ever observed.   I realize these are just a couple data points.

It would be interesting to hear what Baker says about ATF because I have never had any problems at all.  The new compensator theoretically should hold up the same as the tried and true HD version.  no?

2007 and up OLD STYLE SE compensatory is a completely different animal compared to those you mentioned. Hell they die when running a good lube in the primary. What you buy today from SE is different than what I run. And I doubt a Baker would last very long at all with ATF. Just my opinion. I'd still like to see some Baker units with some 10,000 + miles on them.