Can a V-Twin be competitive?

Started by HighLiner, October 27, 2015, 07:07:19 AM

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HighLiner

The local track has a heads up class with the following rules but is dominated by imports.  I watch and wonder if a v-twin could compete?


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rigidthumper

#1
That class runs 6.80s to 7.10s, around 200-220 MPH, so it aint gonna be easy. It will be expensive! Reading their rulebook, they don't show any love for V-Twins.
Ignorance is bliss, and accuracy expensive. How much of either can you afford?

prodrag1320

aint going to happen.the only gas HD that would even come close is brownes turbo bike (runs in the 6.95-7.10 area),but its got 10" slick.plus its a completely one off bike and you would be looking in the 100K+ area to build one

HighLiner

Kind of what I figured seeing how the outlaw street bikes are pretty radical and only run 8.50s

prodrag1320

the man cup has a "outlaw" street class with jap bikes,one guy went 6.55 @ 221 on a hyabusa,street tires with no bar

strokerjlk

Quote from: prodrag1320 on October 27, 2015, 07:47:41 AM
aint going to happen.the only gas HD that would even come close is brownes turbo bike (runs in the 6.95-7.10 area),but its got 10" slick.plus its a completely one off bike and you would be looking in the 100K+ area to build one
Bad azz ride . blower "Gas" bike running with Nitro funny bikes because there really isnt a class for it yet.
A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis
repeated testing establishes theory

prodrag1320

actually,its a turbo,not a blower.the brownes have been running turbo`s forever.back in the day,they ran a 88" shovel (turbo`ed) that went 7.50.brownes are building all hawaya pro drag & top fuel frames now.craftsmanship dosnt even come close to what they do,its art

strokerjlk

Quote from: prodrag1320 on October 29, 2015, 04:05:34 PM
actually,its a turbo,not a blower.the brownes have been running turbo`s forever.back in the day,they ran a 88" shovel (turbo`ed) that went 7.50.brownes are building all hawaya pro drag & top fuel frames now.craftsmanship dosnt even come close to what they do,its art
:up: 
blower on the brain  :scoot:
A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis
repeated testing establishes theory

prodrag1320

as long as its drag racing on the brain,who cares!! :baby:

HighLiner

Quote from: prodrag1320 on October 29, 2015, 03:37:55 PM
the man cup has a "outlaw" street class with "metric bikes",one guy went 6.55 @ 221 on a hyabusa,street tires with no bar

I meant the AMRA outlaw street bikes.

WideWildGlide

No out the box busa can run 9.5-9.6 with decent rider and pro rider on 1000 gsxr can mustra 9.2-9.4 in stock form with maybe a tire change....hell there runs nitrous out the ass on stock motor running 5.6s in 1/8th around here

jbexeter

The *problem* with the harley is the pathetic shared inlet tract.

In an ideal inlet tract you want something as straight as possible, and as close as technically feasible to the valve stem so the inlet gases go straight "down" onto the poppet valve and feed equally around all the edges when it opens.

Contrast that to my stock hd, essentially two 90 degree bends within 4 inches of inlet tract, and worse still, a common inlet tract for two cylinders ...

Rotate the read head 18 degrees and fit twin carb and you'll start to make real power on a n/a harley, straighten the inlet tracts (custom head) and you'll make loads more.

Rules though, at what point does it stop being a harley / stock / within class?

Racepres

There is a reason that something called "Harley Drags" came into being....
No Cars, and no Imports...Don't need 'em.
So...The question about can a Harley be competitive? Only Harley's and "Clones" and Indians, and Victory's are even Invited....
Wanna Have some Fun??

trex

Quote from: Racepres on February 08, 2016, 06:23:41 AM
There is a reason that something called "Harley Drags" came into being....
No Cars, and no Imports...Don't need 'em.
So...The question about can a Harley be competitive? Only Harley's and "Clones" and Indians, and Victory's are even Invited....
Wanna Have some Fun??
Are there any races scheduled on the west coast? I live in Hawaii and used to go the the LA county drags then the Vegas drags.

trex

Quote from: strokerjlk on October 29, 2015, 04:00:25 PM
Quote from: prodrag1320 on October 27, 2015, 07:47:41 AM
aint going to happen.the only gas HD that would even come close is brownes turbo bike (runs in the 6.95-7.10 area),but its got 10" slick.plus its a completely one off bike and you would be looking in the 100K+ area to build one
Bad azz ride . blower "Gas" bike running with Nitro funny bikes because there really isnt a class for it yet.

Any videos of that Browne bike running?

pwmorris

#15
   Are there any races scheduled on the west coast? I live in Hawaii and used to go the the LA county drags then the Vegas drags.
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I used to run at the LA Country drags. I learned to race at LACR. Won a modified class trophy. Those days are long gone and LACR is a gravel pit now.

West Coast-AHDRA kaput. Tracks closing and no organized sanction out here, except NHRA, which runs some regional events. Unless you are top fuel, very little turnout, except imports.
Pacific Northwest has some regional racing.
Ran a couple races with the WMDRA, even though they didn't even have a class for my bike, but tried to support them. Looks like they don't even have a schedule for 2016-
http://www.westernmotodrags.com/events.htm

Most of the guys I know with race bikes aren't racing, sold them, or are trying to sell them.


East Coast guys should thank their lucky stars for the AMRA-
Keepin' Harley Drags alive and kickin'!

strokerjlk

Quote from: trex on April 02, 2016, 03:39:13 PM
Quote from: strokerjlk on October 29, 2015, 04:00:25 PM
Quote from: prodrag1320 on October 27, 2015, 07:47:41 AM
aint going to happen.the only gas HD that would even come close is brownes turbo bike (runs in the 6.95-7.10 area),but its got 10" slick.plus its a completely one off bike and you would be looking in the 100K+ area to build one
Bad azz ride . blower "Gas" bike running with Nitro funny bikes because there really isnt a class for it yet.

Any videos of that Browne bike running?
they have a new frame this year. I think they just got it finished and are testing next weekend

https://youtu.be/mmfZCSCuGW8

A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis
repeated testing establishes theory

strokerjlk


They are testing this coming weekend .
Bad azz ride
A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis
repeated testing establishes theory

jmorton10

HC 124", Dragula, Pingel air shift W/Dyna Shift Minder & onboard compressor, NOS

Racepres

guaranteed to be the Baddest in your class ... when it is the only one!!!
Where were those guys when Dana was struggling to keep a Class like that Alive??

prodrag1320

the brownes didn't build it for any class,they just wanted to see what they could do with a turbo for their own satisfaction.it is probabley the finest engineered HD drag bike running now.bar none (& dana`s bike wouldn't have a chance with this bike).kieth & pete browne have always had VERY bad ass turbo bikes when the did run in a "class",(7.40`s out of a 88" turbo gas shovel in the 1990`s) they have nothing to prove to anyone but themselves

Racepres

Quote from: prodrag1320 on April 29, 2016, 01:34:07 PM
they have nothing to prove to anyone but themselves
Cool...Let's see how they treat us this time around....
I'm glad you like 'em Kirby, but, I know that if they Spoke to You like they did us...Well...Let's just say I know.

prodrag1320

How who treats us? The Browne's?

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prodrag1320

It's your organization, why would they dictate to you? Something I don't know anything about

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sfmichael

Quote from: Racepres on February 08, 2016, 06:23:41 AM
There is a reason that something called "Harley Drags" came into being....
No Cars, and no Imports...Don't need 'em.
So...The question about can a Harley be competitive? Only Harley's and "Clones" and Indians, and Victory's are even Invited....
Wanna Have some Fun??

:up: :beer:
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