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Do they really start the bikes at the factory?
Engineers at the engine assembly plant say there's been a change in procedure. They spin each engine cold without actually starting, saving a ton of gasoline. Perhaps a squirt of oil in the cylinders as part of this method?
Does the Owners Manual mention running in?

Quote from: -deuced- on September 21, 2016, 07:01:34 PM
Do they really start the bikes at the factory?
Engineers at the engine assembly plant say there's been a change in procedure. They spin each engine cold without actually starting, saving a ton of gasoline. Perhaps a squirt of oil in the cylinders as part of this method?
Does the Owners Manual mention running in?

Oh.  Didn't know they stopped doing that. 


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Quote from: Rokinrider on September 21, 2016, 05:11:42 PM
Three days and 280 miles no smoke on my new RG? I always let my bike warm up before I walk the throttle. That's been the case since I had British bikes in the 70s and Iron head/ Evo/ Twin cam. I don't baby my motorcycles but a short idle warm up is a good practice IMHO.

I take off within 10-15 seconds after starting the bike, no matter what the conditions are. Any warm up is just wasting gas, IMO.

I have, as of tonight, 4,000 miles on my M8 and no smoking yet!

Quote from: les on September 21, 2016, 07:31:39 PM

Quote from: -deuced- on September 21, 2016, 07:01:34 PM
Do they really start the bikes at the factory?
Engineers at the engine assembly plant say there's been a change in procedure. They spin each engine cold without actually starting, saving a ton of gasoline. Perhaps a squirt of oil in the cylinders as part of this method?
Does the Owners Manual mention running in?

Oh.  Didn't know they stopped doing that.

I'm wondering why they'd tell us that if they still fired up the completed bike at the end of the line.
I've only seen that one bike in the vid on here blow a puff. Read a few hearsay posts. Read a lot more first hand posts that say no smoke.

Quote from: -deuced- on September 21, 2016, 09:10:15 PM

Quote from: les on September 21, 2016, 07:31:39 PM

Quote from: -deuced- on September 21, 2016, 07:01:34 PM
Do they really start the bikes at the factory?
Engineers at the engine assembly plant say there's been a change in procedure. They spin each engine cold without actually starting, saving a ton of gasoline. Perhaps a squirt of oil in the cylinders as part of this method?
Does the Owners Manual mention running in?

Oh.  Didn't know they stopped doing that.

I'm wondering why they'd tell us that if they still fired up the completed bike at the end of the line.
I've only seen that one bike in the vid on here blow a puff. Read a few hearsay posts. Read a lot more first hand posts that say no smoke.

But you don't see any twin cams, ever, blow smoke. 


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I remember back on the show "how it's made" they had the twin cam engine. They ran the engine on something before it was installed in bike. It was a bit odd to me because it had no exhaust so I don't believe it was running on its own but was spinning by a electric motor maybe simulating running?  I'm not really sure.
I'm sure some of you seen that video.

https://youtu.be/2S8nPc9jWko

Quote from: Boost on September 21, 2016, 08:49:26 AM

Quote from: Tattoo on September 21, 2016, 04:03:42 AM
we are doing a M8 114" upgrade tomorrow on a bike with 6 miles and We will be inspecting the cylinders and pistons. we also have several M8 bikes out the door with no "smoking" issues whats so ever and positive feedback from the customers.

Hello Tattoo,

Could you measure the 107 and 114 cylinder liner thickness and the spigot hole in the case?

Thanks,

.139"

Quote from: harleytuner on September 21, 2016, 04:33:33 AM
Good deal. I'm eagerly awaiting the results of this. The local dealer I tune for just chopped the neck, raked, big wheeled, New body work, and 114 stage III kit in one, ill be getting it to tune then it'll go on their floor for sale. Still trying to decide over the Street tuner or  TTS.

Wow!  So they ruined a brand new bike???

Quote from: mp on September 22, 2016, 06:15:33 AM

Quote from: harleytuner on September 21, 2016, 04:33:33 AM
Good deal. I'm eagerly awaiting the results of this. The local dealer I tune for just chopped the neck, raked, big wheeled, New body work, and 114 stage III kit in one, ill be getting it to tune then it'll go on their floor for sale. Still trying to decide over the Street tuner or  TTS.

Wow!  So they ruined a brand new bike???

That was my exact thought when I read that.

Quote from: mp on September 22, 2016, 06:15:33 AM

Quote from: harleytuner on September 21, 2016, 04:33:33 AM
Good deal. I'm eagerly awaiting the results of this. The local dealer I tune for just chopped the neck, raked, big wheeled, New body work, and 114 stage III kit in one, ill be getting it to tune then it'll go on their floor for sale. Still trying to decide over the Street tuner or  TTS.

Wow!  So they ruined a brand new bike???

Pretty much.  I hate working on them and don't care at all for the look, but it pays.  Apparently people like them because they sell them about as fast as they can build them. 

Here's a 2016 I just tuned for them, 135" Jim's crate in this one.[attach=0]

Quote from: Tattoo on September 22, 2016, 08:33:59 AM

Base gasket now and no o ring. I didn't know that. Thanks for the picture

our demo is doing that, I'd be interested in the last 6 of the vin's of the other ones that are doing it.. the other 6 we have sold have no issues,,

Quote from: harleytuner on September 22, 2016, 07:10:05 AM

Quote from: mp on September 22, 2016, 06:15:33 AM

Quote from: harleytuner on September 21, 2016, 04:33:33 AM
Good deal. I'm eagerly awaiting the results of this. The local dealer I tune for just chopped the neck, raked, big wheeled, New body work, and 114 stage III kit in one, ill be getting it to tune then it'll go on their floor for sale. Still trying to decide over the Street tuner or  TTS.

Wow!  So they ruined a brand new bike???

Pretty much.  I hate working on them and don't care at all for the look, but it pays.  Apparently people like them because they sell them about as fast as they can build them.

Off topic, but I'm curious, what's the resale like on something like that a couple years down the road?

Thanks,
Rick

Quote from: Eglider05 on September 22, 2016, 09:11:15 AM

Quote from: harleytuner on September 22, 2016, 07:10:05 AM

Quote from: mp on September 22, 2016, 06:15:33 AM

Quote from: harleytuner on September 21, 2016, 04:33:33 AM
Good deal. I'm eagerly awaiting the results of this. The local dealer I tune for just chopped the neck, raked, big wheeled, New body work, and 114 stage III kit in one, ill be getting it to tune then it'll go on their floor for sale. Still trying to decide over the Street tuner or  TTS.

Wow!  So they ruined a brand new bike???

Pretty much.  I hate working on them and don't care at all for the look, but it pays.  Apparently people like them because they sell them about as fast as they can build them.

Off topic, but I'm curious, what's the resale like on something like that a couple years down the road?

Thanks,
Rick

The same as a stock one the same age if imagine.  It's only worth what the bank will lend lol. 

Sticker on this one is around 70k

Quote from: Tattoo on September 22, 2016, 05:43:26 AM

Quote from: Boost on September 21, 2016, 08:49:26 AM

Quote from: Tattoo on September 21, 2016, 04:03:42 AM
we are doing a M8 114" upgrade tomorrow on a bike with 6 miles and We will be inspecting the cylinders and pistons. we also have several M8 bikes out the door with no "smoking" issues whats so ever and positive feedback from the customers.

Hello Tattoo,

Could you measure the 107 and 114 cylinder liner thickness and the spigot hole in the case?

Thanks,

.139"

Is that for the 107 cylinder or the 114 cylinder or both, and where you able to get the diameter for the spigot hole in the engine cases?

Thanks

Quote from: tomcat64 on September 22, 2016, 08:51:57 AM
our demo is doing that, I'd be interested in the last 6 of the vin's of the other ones that are doing it.. the other 6 we have sold have no issues,,

Are there plans to determine why? If so please share the results.

Quote from: Boost on September 22, 2016, 10:50:44 AM

Quote from: Tattoo on September 22, 2016, 05:43:26 AM

Quote from: Boost on September 21, 2016, 08:49:26 AM

Quote from: Tattoo on September 21, 2016, 04:03:42 AM
we are doing a M8 114" upgrade tomorrow on a bike with 6 miles and We will be inspecting the cylinders and pistons. we also have several M8 bikes out the door with no "smoking" issues whats so ever and positive feedback from the customers.

Hello Tattoo,

Could you measure the 107 and 114 cylinder liner thickness and the spigot hole in the case?

Thanks,

.139"

Is that for the 107 cylinder or the 114 cylinder or both, and where you able to get the diameter for the spigot hole in the engine cases?

Thanks

107" .178  diameter is .4.436  (approximately)

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107" .178  diameter is .4.436  (approximately)

So the 114 stage IV kit is most likely going to be 120 C.I. (4.125'' bore) or 124 C.I (4.1875) bore?

Quote from: -deuced- on September 21, 2016, 07:01:34 PM
Do they really start the bikes at the factory?
Engineers at the engine assembly plant say there's been a change in procedure. They spin each engine cold without actually starting, saving a ton of gasoline. Perhaps a squirt of oil in the cylinders as part of this method?
Does the Owners Manual mention running in?

They used to ride each bike on rollers at the York plant running it up to about 60 mph checking the bike's operation.  I don't know if they still do, but I'll find out tomorrow.  I'm going to the open house and taking the plant tour.

Quote from: Schex3x on September 08, 2016, 06:33:09 PM
I was in Smoky Mt Harley in Aug. right after the bikes were released,
asked a salesperson to fire one up, she did and it blew a good bit of smoke,
she shut it off right quick,
thought to myself, whoa, that's not good.

I haven' read all 5 pages of this thread, but I had the same experience. Had a salesman start one of their new M8 (107") bikes for me & the thing blew white smoke. He let it idle a few secs & then I blipped the throttle a bit & it blew another puff of smoke. Wasn't too impressed to say the least.

I didn't see any "smokers" at the demo rides at York today.  And they do still run every bike on the rollers up to highway speed.

So every bike gets run at the factory.  However, I'm not sure the tester would notice any smoke if any since the exhaust fan would likely suck it right out before the tester could notice it.

Quote from: FLHRI_2004 on September 23, 2016, 05:04:00 PM
I didn't see any "smokers" at the demo rides at York today.  And they do still run every bike on the rollers up to highway speed.

So every bike gets run at the factory.  However, I'm not sure the tester would notice any smoke if any since the exhaust fan would likely suck it right out before the tester could notice it.

Thanks for clarifying that. Guess that explains the mileage on the odometer when they arrive at the dealer.

Mine does not smoke yet, tho I have only 500 miles
I like the shifting compared to my 15, it clicks like a Honda
I have a HD tech friend that says some do and some dont