HarleyTechTalk

Quote from: uwiik on September 13, 2011, 07:41:25 AM

Quote from: turboprop on September 13, 2011, 03:43:22 AM
As to where to purchase a new S&S engine, why not your local indie? Might not be the lowest price but will probably be the best deal for you and your local riding community. The internet is killing our local indies. Support them or they will not be there to support you.

Heck, if you can recommend me a forum member who sell s&s motor and other Harley stuff and stand behind His product, I'll be happy to get that contact and will be very thankful...

I am sure your inbox is filling up with PMs from forum members that have shops and accounts with S&S, all promising the world. Naturally, some will be good, some not so good. I would recommend Scott Palmer at Hillside Cycles in NY. He is a member on here but have not heard from him in awhile. Scott is good people, his word is solid, and he will probably make you a fair deal on a crate motor. Scott has a website that is not hard to find, but you can PM me if you want his direct contact info.

I built my 96cuin S&S engine last winter, so my experience with S&S is fairly limited.
But, if you want a strong, solid performer without going to extremes, it is a fine motor. Mine shakes less than the original EVO, although careful alignment and adjustments during the assembly & installation probably contributed as well.
Some points worth considering
- Static compression at about 9.5
- No need for compression releases
- Stock starter works fine
- I am running stock battery
- The 96 cuin has 4 5/8" stroke (3/8" more than stock), and 3 5/8" bore (1/8" more than stock). This means that it is has the Evo characteristics, just more of it...

Quote from: deathwish on September 13, 2011, 05:37:23 PM
at least it sounds as if your Indy is honest. I always laugh when people talk about stroker motors. They quickly assume it means the engine is built like a race engine. That is not always the case. You can have a detuned stroker motor and use the big inches for torque. In the case of the 111" it has 1/8" less stroke than an 80" evo. Or maybe you want a 100" which is 1/4 " less stroke. One thing I do agree on is no high compression. Fuel will only get worse not better. That being said I like my engines at less than 10.5. In most cases you can make most engines run on 87 or 89 octane if you select the correct ratio and cam. I run my 113 at 9.7 and my 124 at 10.5 (stock stud pattern TC 124 was 11.1/1)

Yes, a rare species these days...
That being said, is it safe to assume that V111 is a supposedly reliable engine? It's got shorter stroke than 80" meaning piston travel in slower speed, conservative compression ratio at 9.7, and medium cam.... Seems like exactly what i am looking for...and i always have access to 92 ron fuel. Government make it mandatory to each pump to stock 92.

Quote from: turboprop on September 13, 2011, 07:53:10 PM

Quote from: uwiik on September 13, 2011, 07:41:25 AM

Quote from: turboprop on September 13, 2011, 03:43:22 AM
As to where to purchase a new S&S engine, why not your local indie? Might not be the lowest price but will probably be the best deal for you and your local riding community. The internet is killing our local indies. Support them or they will not be there to support you.

Heck, if you can recommend me a forum member who sell s&s motor and other Harley stuff and stand behind His product, I'll be happy to get that contact and will be very thankful...

I am sure your inbox is filling up with PMs from forum members that have shops and accounts with S&S, all promising the world. Naturally, some will be good, some not so good. I would recommend Scott Palmer at Hillside Cycles in NY. He is a member on here but have not heard from him in awhile. Scott is good people, his word is solid, and he will probably make you a fair deal on a crate motor. Scott has a website that is not hard to find, but you can PM me if you want his direct contact info.

  !! I thought so, but sadly that wasn't the case... Not a single PM.... 
PM will be sent shortly...Thanks a million dude....

Quote from: karlsbike on September 14, 2011, 04:34:30 AM
I built my 96cuin S&S engine last winter, so my experience with S&S is fairly limited.
But, if you want a strong, solid performer without going to extremes, it is a fine motor. Mine shakes less than the original EVO, although careful alignment and adjustments during the assembly & installation probably contributed as well.
Some points worth considering
- Static compression at about 9.5
- No need for compression releases
- Stock starter works fine
- I am running stock battery
- The 96 cuin has 4 5/8" stroke (3/8" more than stock), and 3 5/8" bore (1/8" more than stock). This means that it is has the Evo characteristics, just more of it...

That motor is actually on my second contingency plan.... I always liked and considered 96, but who's not greedy here raise your hand....LOL!! How would you rate a stock S&S 96 ci ?? Let's say comparing to properly built 95 TC without headwork? Sorry if it's a very specific question, but I have my aim...

I guess I will chime in here. After my OEM 80" motor let loose this Spring in my 91 Electraglides & started banging in the lower end, I replaced it with an S&S V111 mill.  I could not be happier to this point. I got a killer deal like it has been stated above, mostly I guess due to the "big two" (Big Dog and AIC) closing up their doors.

Everything from the quality of the cosmetics (chrome, fit, finish, etc) to the phone support and ease of everything from ordering through installing myself was a positive experience.

I followed their break in rules to the letter, and installed a 10 row JAG Oil cooler before firing her up for the first time.  I am now past the break in and have about 3K miles, no issues at all.

Power is definitely impressive, have moved to a whole new level.  My 95" TC Softail is pretty healthy, but this is a whole new game.  And last long run Cinci to Chicago and back I averaged just over 40 MPG in 100* heat.

Time will tell on longevity I guess, but so far, I am a believer in the 111.

Mark

Quote from: Mark222 on September 14, 2011, 04:07:33 PM
I guess I will chime in here. After my OEM 80" motor let loose this Spring in my 91 Electraglides & started banging in the lower end, I replaced it with an S&S V111 mill.  I could not be happier to this point. I got a killer deal like it has been stated above, mostly I guess due to the "big two" (Big Dog and AIC) closing up their doors.

Everything from the quality of the cosmetics (chrome, fit, finish, etc) to the phone support and ease of everything from ordering through installing myself was a positive experience.

I followed their break in rules to the letter, and installed a 10 row JAG Oil cooler before firing her up for the first time.  I am now past the break in and have about 3K miles, no issues at all.

Power is definitely impressive, have moved to a whole new level.  My 95" TC Softail is pretty healthy, but this is a whole new game.  And last long run Cinci to Chicago and back I averaged just over 40 MPG in 100* heat.

Time will tell on longevity I guess, but so far, I am a believer in the 111.

Mark

Thank you very much for the encouragement... I think i'll jist get a V111 after i am done saving...

Anything different with the 'potato potato' being ahorter stroke?

She has the Evo sound, on steroids.  Like the big blocks of old......  Wakes right up to "loud" when you whack the throttle open too.  I am running 2.25" Santee true duel straight pipes with full metal slip in baffles with some fiberglass cloth I wired in a while back.

Mark

Quote from: Mark222 on September 14, 2011, 08:26:36 PM
She has the Evo sound, on steroids.  Like the big blocks of old......  Wakes right up to "loud" when you whack the throttle open too.  I am running 2.25" Santee true duel straight pipes with full metal slip in baffles with some fiberglass cloth I wired in a while back.

Mark

damn I wet my pants...LOL!!

S&S V107T here, in the UK. I am also a long way away from the States and agonised over what brand of bigger motor to get, but took what seemed the safest route and bought from the oldest running after-market motor builder. My motor is one of their 50th anniversary engines. Came with the IST ignition and 3 year warranty, although that has expired now. I wasn't very happy with it early on, but it is run in now and as sweet as a nut! Very flat torque curve and 101HP/107TQ. We've travelled widely on it in Europe and love it. My bike is a much modified 1990 FLHS, owned from new.

I have contacted hillside, I'll see how it goes..

Quote from: turboprop on September 13, 2011, 03:43:22 AM
Many of us on this forum have had less than satisfactory experiences with Tom Demons at Demons Cycles. I would strongly advise you do a search on this and other forums before engaging with Demons Cycles.

As to where to purchase a new S&S engine, why not your local indie? Might not be the lowest price but will probably be the best deal for you and your local riding community. The internet is killing our local indies. Support them or they will not be there to support you.

with the advise about the appropriately named "Demon's Cycle". Props to Turbo for pointing out a shortcoming in the "system". As an Indy suffering with the rest of US truer words have not been spoken, and I THANK YOU SIR! 

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THAT IS BRUTAL!!!! LOL!! But it's gonna be an overkill for what i am looking for......  I only want to smack buddies with 95" twinkie, and i definitely wont mess with monster motor where i live....i even considered 96" s&s thinking the smaller the more reliable, but was told it vibrate like a jackhammer....is it true?

Bottom line is i need something to beat medium cammed 95" twinkie because thats all they are able to build properly here... When i beat them i am good already...LOL.....And while still being stock like reliable.....Not that i am cheap but i am halfway accross the world, no warranty work and absolutely no competent indy that knows aftermarket engine...

The S&S 96 will do that. I've got one in a 92 ultra and it has no trouble keeping the TC 96 at bay even with the power commander, AC & after market cam. If they put SE heads and high comp pistons it becomes more of a match. Even a stock 103 won't outrun me.

It has bugger all vibration in the rubbermount frame. Sure had a few bolts here and there depart company but once replaced and locktighted in all is well. A few funny holes in the block that allow oil to leak that needed filling (very strange design) and of course the lifters crapped themselves at about 25k (don't expect any warranty outside the US or at least don't expect any labor). Apart from that its fine. Looking back I might have bought a Revtec and stripped it down and rebuilt it and still had change from the pricey S&S. While the S&S quality "might" be better, I bought it for a warranty that eventually wasn't provided .

 

Running a S&S 107 in my Dyna and it's a sweetie, much smoother than stock. Just coming up to 50,000 km and not a problem, wish I had got a 124 though