HarleyTechTalk

 I bought a salvage bike and it didn't come with the fob. now the bike is ready to go except I cant disarm the security to start it. can I replace the tssm with tsm and delete the whole thing? "dealer" wants $360.00 to put in a complete new system.Any help would be great.Thanks guys

the dealer should be able to dis-arm the system, it may take a new tssm,,,

try this..

Instructions

Resetting Your PIN

1  Select a five-digit number and record it in the manual or some place else easily accessible in case you forget it.

2  With an assigned fob present, turn the "IGN" key in this pattern:

Ignition-Off-Ignition-Off-Ignition.

3  Press the left turn signal three times.

4  Press the right turn signal one time and release. The turn signal should flash three times. The current PIN number should appear in the odometer. The first digit will be flashing.

5  Enter the first number by pressing the left turn signal the same number of times as the digit. So if the first number is 5, press the left turn signal five times.

6  Press the right turn signal one time and release. The new number will replace the old number in the odometer.

7  Repeat steps 5 and 6 until all numbers have been reset.

8  Turn the ignition key to "Off."

I don't think you can reassign the security code without the bike disarmed. You might try using the last 5 of the vin and see if that code will disarm it though.

Your next option is to have the dealer assign new FOBs to the bike.

I tried this last spring...2011... never lost a fob, but after saying that out loud it is only a matter of time before Murphy shows up and ...?
I tried to set a new password, but was not able to do so, due to not  knowing or having the original password.
I am second owner of the bike and called the selling dealer.
They where very good searched records and tried what they has set it during prep  for original buyer.
Tried setting with the digi teck too, only solution is a new tsm or if I want the security feature a new tssm.
I still have not made up my mind.
But, if the original poster finds a way of overriding or tomcat64 hears from Mother HD, please feel free to shoot me a message with directions too.
It will save me $350 and change,lol.
Rob

If you don't have a fob and you don't know the PIN, you'll need to replace the TSSM.

I just had the rear brake light switch replaced under the recall, and after bleeding the brakes the dealer ran the ABS service.  When they plugged the bike into the computer (the ABS test is run by the computer) it popped up all my information, including my PIN, so yes, the dealer can change the PIN if he will, or wants to.

David

I keep that card from the owners manual in my wallet in the event that I lose the fob or the fob battery dies...have thought that I would someday have the tssm changed out to the old style so that I could arm/disarm at my own discretion...I have to go in the house and get a key fob anytime I move the bike in the garage or turn the wheel or a curious neighbor decides to sit on the bike..I like the old system better..

can I replace the tssm with tsm and delete the whole thing?

Depends on the year and EFI. I changed my TSSM for a TSM no problem (02 FXD carb)

Quote from: NETacomaFatboy on November 18, 2011, 03:33:51 PM
try this..

Instructions

Resetting Your PIN

1  Select a five-digit number and record it in the manual or some place else easily accessible in case you forget it.

2  With an assigned fob present, turn the "IGN" key in this pattern:

Ignition-Off-Ignition-Off-Ignition.

3  Press the left turn signal three times.

4  Press the right turn signal one time and release. The turn signal should flash three times. The current PIN number should appear in the odometer. The first digit will be flashing.

5  Enter the first number by pressing the left turn signal the same number of times as the digit. So if the first number is 5, press the left turn signal five times.

6  Press the right turn signal one time and release. The new number will replace the old number in the odometer.

7  Repeat steps 5 and 6 until all numbers have been reset.

8  Turn the ignition key to "Off."

try doing this with the default code of  00000.

Quote from: devious56 on November 20, 2011, 04:01:24 AM
I just had the rear brake light switch replaced under the recall, and after bleeding the brakes the dealer ran the ABS service.  When they plugged the bike into the computer (the ABS test is run by the computer) it popped up all my information, including my PIN, so yes, the dealer can change the PIN if he will, or wants to.

David

Very interesting. If the computer was able to read out a PIN that you set, then technically that's a security weakness.  Of course, PINs are nothing more than an emergency measure in case a fob isn't available, and bikes are so easy to steal without starting them, so I guess it's not a practical issue. The thief can just replace the TSSM later. What year is your bike? According to my manual, that's not possible with my 05. I hardly ever bother arming the alarm, instead I just lock the forks.

Quote from: Mix01FLHT on November 20, 2011, 11:07:27 AM

Quote from: NETacomaFatboy on November 18, 2011, 03:33:51 PM
try this..

Instructions

Resetting Your PIN

1  Select a five-digit number and record it in the manual or some place else easily accessible in case you forget it.

2  With an assigned fob present, turn the "IGN" key in this pattern:

Ignition-Off-Ignition-Off-Ignition.

3  Press the left turn signal three times.

4  Press the right turn signal one time and release. The turn signal should flash three times. The current PIN number should appear in the odometer. The first digit will be flashing.

5  Enter the first number by pressing the left turn signal the same number of times as the digit. So if the first number is 5, press the left turn signal five times.

6  Press the right turn signal one time and release. The new number will replace the old number in the odometer.

7  Repeat steps 5 and 6 until all numbers have been reset.

8  Turn the ignition key to "Off."

try doing this with the default code of  00000.

Note step #2: "with an assigned fob present". I don't think he has an assigned fob.

Quote from: devious56 on November 20, 2011, 04:01:24 AM
I just had the rear brake light switch replaced under the recall, and after bleeding the brakes the dealer ran the ABS service.  When they plugged the bike into the computer (the ABS test is run by the computer) it popped up all my information, including my PIN, so yes, the dealer can change the PIN if he will, or wants to.

David

With no FOB the DT will not read any info.....you will need to replace the TSSM with a TSM

Quote from: Jim Bronson on November 20, 2011, 12:21:04 PM
I hardly ever bother arming the alarm, instead I just lock the forks.

Do you realize that one hard kick to the handlebars will shear the fork lock pin in most cases?  The TSSM for all the reasons listed above - that it has to be replaced if you don't know the code and an armed bike cannot be started without the FOB or the PIN - is still better security.

I have an '05 as well - FLHTCUI.   On an Ultra, you can force the locked ignition with a 10-12 inch pair of channel lock pliers.

I like the manual arming/disarming instead of the newer automatic A/D.  I also have changed the PIN (from the factory 00000) and know how to use the turn signals to enter that PIN - in case the FOB battery dies when I'm on the road.  I carry a spare battery as well.  On the older models at least, changing the battery doesn't effect the handshake between the FOB and the TSSM if you do it quickly.  I have done this more than once without having to go through the procedure to make 'em talk to each other.  Even gave a battery to a guy with a dead FOB battery once and it got him going.

Oh, write down the PIN somewhere.  I didn't.  Didn't use it for a long time - and couldn't remember what I had used.   HV told me way back then that there was no way to retrieve the PIN and the TSSM would have to be replaced to change the PIN. That was okay as long as I had a working FOB (that's how I learned I could replace the battery without needing the handshake).  After about two months, I woke up in the middle of the night thinking about what I probably would have used.  When to the bike (at 3 AM) and it worked.    Wrote it down in a place not on the bike.

 What year is your bike? According to my manual, that's not possible with my 05. I hardly ever bother arming the alarm, instead I just lock the forks.

I have a 2010, and  HV says the computer could read the PIN because the fob was there.  Makes sense to me, something I didn't consider.  Thanks HV,
David

Quote from: Desperado on November 20, 2011, 03:35:25 PM

Quote from: Jim Bronson on November 20, 2011, 12:21:04 PM
I hardly ever bother arming the alarm, instead I just lock the forks.

Do you realize that one hard kick to the handlebars will shear the fork lock pin in most cases? 
I've never heard that, but if there were several bikes available, a casual thief would likely start with one without the forks locked.

I have an '05 as well - FLHTCUI.   On an Ultra, you can force the locked ignition with a 10-12 inch pair of channel lock pliers.
On an 05 Dyna and some earlier years, you don't have to force anything. Take off the seat and plug in a pigtail. It would take me about a minute if I practiced a bit. A thief would have to be familiar with the bike.

My point is that if a pro targets your bike, it won't be there when you return. It will be heading down the freeway either on its own or in the back of a truck. A casual thief will probably pass on either an armed security system or locked forks, disk lock, etc, in search of an easier target.

Try looking hear. It might have the info you want.
http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=573200

I replaced my TSSM with a TSM. TSSM was causing the battery to run down in 4 days if bike was not ridden.
I got it on ebay for  $25 . I have a TMAX ECM so there was no problem changing. Stock ECM ,it seems is different. I think the TSSM is a worthless piece of troublesome crap Harley came up with to charge you more money for. A hidden switch connected to the run-stop circut will do the same thing. If somebody wants your bike all it takes is 4 strong Bucks, a pickup or trailer and gone in 30 seconds.

You guys can dis the security on a HD all you like. All I know is I have had two Ultras with security and I like being able to not fuss with a key to "lock up" the bike when you stop for a while. The newer bikes with the proximity fob I just hop off and walk away. If I did not have security I would be locking the ignition many times a day sometimes.

My point is that if a pro targets your bike, it won't be there when you return. It will be heading down the freeway either on its own or in the back of a truck. A casual thief will probably pass on either an armed security system or locked forks, disk lock, etc, in search of an easier target.

Couldn't agree more with ya! If a pro wants your bike?  It is G O N E.............

I seriously doubt most stolen bikes are ridden away, anyway. I never use the fork lock because I've seen a number of them fail to UNlock.  And a pro is going to have a coupe buddies throw it in the back of a truck or onto a trailer anyway.
  If I ever get concerned about theft, I carry a padlock in the bags, and clip in through on of the rotor vents. Have an orange tag hanging on it to remind me to remove it.

He doesn't say what year bike he bought, but if it's an older model shouldn't the TSSM lose the code if the power was disconnected to the bike for any lenght of time such as battery replacement? Wouldn't it need to be reprogrammed or at least try to have a new code set and aren't the key fobs available through the dealer? All he would need is the VIN #, right?

Factory default pin is the last 5 vin numbers REVERSED (12345 = 54321). That is what mine and a friends '07's were. 

there is no factory setting, the system is armed during set-up.. the dealer picks the code..

My former 2004 Ultra had a security system. It was on the machine when I bought it new. I seldom used it. As mentioned above, if your motorcycle isn't attended and some thief wants it, he will find a way to get it. Usually they have three or four guys who pick it up and slide it into a panel truck or van.

I've known several people when I was in the Hog Group who lost Harleys that way.

I'm just as glad my Dyna doesn't have a security system. It's just something else to cause you trouble. I make up for not having a security system by never taking my eyes off of my bike. Motorcycles are never safe when they are left out. JMO.

Last post is correct.  new bikes come with the security disabled, the dealer has to turn on security with digi tech. and then sets the code.  you should be able to take it to a dealer and have them hook it up to difi tech, they can turn off the security by setting the PIN to all zeros.  It won't take them a half hour, so a minimum shop charge is probably what you are looking at.  I would take all proper ducuments with you though, so you can prove that you own the bike.

Quote from: devious56 on November 20, 2011, 06:06:11 PM
What year is your bike? According to my manual, that's not possible with my 05. I hardly ever bother arming the alarm, instead I just lock the forks.

I have a 2010, and  HV says the computer could read the PIN because the fob was there.  Makes sense to me, something I didn't consider.  Thanks HV,
David

That sounds reasonable.