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Quote from: jclark311 on November 27, 2013, 07:55:35 PM
Great thread, i have question, why didnt you install the jugs and heads before putting the motor on the bike?

I am unable to lift any more than the lower end these days. And, I have made tools that makes installing the jugs and rocker covers a breeze,,,

Heads on and torqued to go.


Nice holes, with the Howitzer (HPI) Throttle Body and 1.800" intake on there I am going to be able to feed it plums or small lemons. Fruit has got to be cheaper than gasoline these days. And if I leave the fruit sit in the tank long enough I will have Sangria to go with my Fajitas on Friday nights. Killer.

Awesome

Quote from: SE Road King on November 27, 2013, 04:59:25 AM

Quote from: texaskatfish on November 27, 2013, 04:51:37 AM

SE Road King I'm darn sure envious of your expertise and equipment gettin this job done right! My 'Gracie' (2001 FLHR) is slated to go in for full engine re-build next month (not broken it just needs to be done with 120K on the motor)........I trust my indy completely - just wish I could watch the entire process................

That is good mileage, for the bike that you have. When I hopped mine up in 2003 I had figured 75k maybe more, and was headed in that direction until a cam bearing let loose @ 69k. Now days folks are getting 100+k on 100HP mills regularly.
Did any of this winter BS make it down there?

Well here in Katy / Houston it was only cold & wet..........this morning finally down to right at 32 but warmin into the 50s today then warmer for the weekend.
My Gracie actually is just shy of 175K on the bike (HD warranty replaced the motor at 54K when cam chain tensioner pads went south) I went back with gear drive cams and never looked back. The original clutch was still functional at 150K when we replaced it during yet another Jim's trans rpr - we've since given up on Jim's and she now has a Baker DD6 (50K / 5 yr warranty thank goodness). The swing arm broke (right at the axle which is fairly common as I've read about) at approx 120K and at that time I couldn't afford the upgrade to the 1 inch axle that appeared first in the '02 models - so I went with an OEM replacement and will get the old one repaired by a competent welder for the next time. I basically plan to just keep riding / breaking / fixing Gracie as long as I'm able to ride - the NEW bikes are beautiful I just don't like all the never ending new electronic stuff..........if cash wasn't an issue I'd even go further retro and go back to points in the ignition (something I could work on!!     ) But since I'm blessed with such a great indy wrench I certainly cannot complain - we're gonna try the S&S easy start cams with this build as well.............I look forward to the completion of your ride!

Quote from: SE Road King on November 27, 2013, 04:29:53 PM

Quote from: wholehog on November 27, 2013, 05:24:57 AM
that boy of yours ought to be there in the shop helping so he can pick it up.....

Hopefully when he is old enough. He will be 4 in March. At least now he gets a charge out of revving the engine up and making the horn work, last year he was afraid of the bike.
He tells everyone that his grand-pa has a moracycle

kids are alot smarter now than when we were that age....my earliest memories are of taking things apart that my dad gave me to work on.....after a while I was able to put them back together again....never too early to get some dirt on their hands.....it's a gift that he will have all of his life

kids are alot smarter now than when we were that age....my earliest memories are of taking things apart that my dad gave me to work on.....after a while I was able to put them back together again....never too early to get some dirt on their hands.....it's a gift that he will have all of his life
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You know that's right!
My first build was a Honda 70 engine in a go-kart, it had only 10" wheels.  I went to bigger tires but that just compounded the problem... My Dad shook his head the entire time.
It just never worked out.
Here is Luke and his dad Wes and I in 2012

Luke and I made a M-2 for his arsenal this summer. This wepon will lay out 10-12 fully armored plastic Army men with one rubber band.

Getting closer here, the rockers and covers are all zipped up





Now for a cougherator



Can you say Square peg in a Round  Hole?

Quote from: SE Road King on November 28, 2013, 04:28:44 PM


My first build was a Honda 70 engine in a go-kart, it had only 10" wheels.  I went to bigger tires but that just compounded the problem... My Dad shook his head the entire time.
It just never worked out.
Here is Luke and his dad Wes and I in 2012

that's learning him!

my 1st build was a B&S engine with a direct belt drive to a hard rubber tire on a 2x12 board go-kart.....started the engine with the drive tire up on a block.....the centrifugal force tore apart the tire hitting three of the fingers on my hand....thought that I was gonna die from the pain and ended up losing all my nails but I learned a lesson that I never forgot....I still have that board somewhere too   

Cant tell from your pics but if the rear brake line is hard tube you may want to pay close attention to the section under the corrugated plastic a few inches past the M/C...it rubs against the frame weldment and many have found it nearly rubbed through (I did)...another little "surprise" from HD

Yes I did notice the rear line, I'll hang a new one on next year along with a couple home made stand-offs to suspend the line away from the frame. Thanks.

wholehog makes a GREAT point about the rear brake line - in OEM configuration the rear brake line (covered/protected with hard plastic tubing) runs right beside the clutch cable (at least on Gracie - 2001 FLHR).........last year we had one hellovva time trying to figure out why my rear brake pedal was "going to the floor".................there was zero visible brake fluid leaking............so we tried:
bleeding
re-building the master cylinder
a NEW master cylinder
All resulted in the same condition - the pedal would stand firm as desired then less than a day later "alla way to the floor again" (and still no visible leakage)
My Indy was beside himself trying to figure this one out - so he put Gracie up on the lift once again............bled the brake to get firm pedal - then just mashed down hard on the pedal and held it down hard while he lit a ciggy.................took almost the entire cigarette then ONE tiny DROP fell on the lift *AHA!!*      finally got it! Over 12 years and over 100,000 miles of using the clutch (where the cable 'flexes / moves' ever so slightly each time the clutch is pulled)............the clutch cable had rubbed through the back brake line cover and into the line itself makin a hole SO tiny it would not show a visible leak but it DID suck air..............so new rear brake line did the trick

Runs fine. Smooth and quiet. Very pleased.
Got a pesky fuel leak at the disconnect under the tank to deal with. Then I will continue with the warm ups and take her for a spin.

fuel QD leak....I had to pull down on the collar to get it to engage all the way

New o-ring did the trick.
                    Needs tune to ride.  Doh!!!!!!

Gone are the days of switching a couple jets, now waiting to get'R tuned

Quote from: SE Road King on December 01, 2013, 01:01:01 PM
New o-ring did the trick.
                    Needs tune to ride.  Doh!!!!!!

Gone are the days of switching a couple jets, now waiting to get'R tuned

put a SE race tuner on it and do it yourself

         Ed Smith Special '02 FLHRSEI, 105" Twin Cam-A

-   Langer Performance Special set-up Balanced, pinned, welded and trued flywheel set with carillo H-rod set, w/ 4.375 stroke 
-   New crank bearings, left and right sides, '02 cases
-   K/B forged pistons 105" KB908C-40
-  +.040" Big Bore H-D cylinders
-   '99 TC head castings, 88CC, 10.0:1, 183CCC, CNC Blended port, CNC Radius, stepped performance valve job, with H-D guides and seats, AV&V valves and 6000 series spring set, w/165# seat pressure
-   Screaming Eagle Pro Air cleaner, w/K&N filter, head breathers plumbed to the street
-   HPI 51MM throttle body with blended 1.800" intake runners, stock sensors and injectors.
-   Andrews 54G cams, Corrected compression 9.01:1,( w/.04"MLS gasket and 9.86:1 static comp.)
-   S&S gears set
-   Ultima Billet Cam plate
-   Ultima performance oil pump
-   All new Cam bearings and Hardware
-   AMS Hylift lifters
-   Andrews easy install push rods
-   S&S rocker arms
-   MLS .040 head gaskets, (come on now, I have to live with the obtrusive heat down here, and my tuner)
-   D&D Fat Cat 2-1 head and muff system, wrapped baffle.
-   Direct Link

Sweet Sweet Music...
No Cam whine, No piston slap, No rocker ticking, No lifter chatter...
...just the rush of doomed air in and the combustion of my favorite fossil fuel thru exhaust made by the Pope of Pipe.
Engine by Ed Smith
Tuning by

Should be a good runner.

Thanks for taking us along on your build 

 
Yes thanks Ed! Nice looking scoot & once tuned should run well
BTW.. that's a well stocked bar in your man cave!

Thank you all, I've enjoyed the work. I need to get some bigger rubber up under it, so I'll be planning that after I get an oil cooler in place.

All right, finally got the bike and new engine to the tuners shop. If the weather gives me a break, then I'll gather some gear and the windshield, have a friend drop me there and ride the 50-60- miles back home. Or a hundred...

Dyno run file

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=68836.0

Having fun with the motorcycle. Good and snappy in any run condition. Although I have not opened it up completely I do notice a greater engine advancement with minimal input at the throttle. I suppose that this difference is mostly due to the 23% growth in the throttle body plenum area. I am ok with it in the higher gears but when trying to hold steady with low speed output things are quite touchy. It will just take some getting used to. Also contributing to the willingness of the engine to advance may well be the new exhaust system, this is the first performance 2-1 system that I have owned.
I replaced the dinosaur oil at less than 150 miles, including the dyno miles. I found no significant anything in the oil or filter. My dishwasher and Dawn soap trick worked well.
Now to find a good oil cooler. I am looking at this engine guard cooler set up but finding it less credible as compared to the Jagg and Reefer Oil Coolers. 

  congrats

QuoteI suppose that this difference is mostly due to the 23% growth in the throttle body plenum area.

Not sure what you mean here as the a plenum has volume not area.. If you said throttle blade size (or area).. I'd agree.. Bigger throttle blades make the throttle response more "touchy"  as when it opens, per degree of open, it flows more air.

Max

Quote from: Max Headflow on December 21, 2013, 08:14:44 PM

QuoteI suppose that this difference is mostly due to the 23% growth in the throttle body plenum area.

Not sure what you mean here as the a plenum has volume not area.. If you said throttle blade size (or area).. I'd agree.. Bigger throttle blades make the throttle response more "touchy"  as when it opens, per degree of open, it flows more air.

Max

  Excellent catch, absolutely no one would have interpreted the point without this clarification.
1 question,
If one used the term "try filling your plenum with sand" or "go pound sand in your plenum" the term would have been grammatically correct as it's use is volumetric as opposed to 2-dimensional?

Quote from: SE Road King on December 23, 2013, 04:29:14 AM

Quote from: Max Headflow on December 21, 2013, 08:14:44 PM

QuoteI suppose that this difference is mostly due to the 23% growth in the throttle body plenum area.

Not sure what you mean here as the a plenum has volume not area.. If you said throttle blade size (or area).. I'd agree.. Bigger throttle blades make the throttle response more "touchy"  as when it opens, per degree of open, it flows more air.

Max

  Excellent catch, absolutely no one would have interpreted the point without this clarification.
1 question,
If one used the term "try filling your plenum with sand" or "go pound sand in your plenum" the term would have been grammatically correct as it's use is volumetric as opposed to 2-dimensional?

Not sure what you mean by " absolutely no one would have interpreted the point without this clarification" 

I'm would think that someone trying to interpret the statement might interpreted it wrong.. Thinking that it was the volume of the that was giving the throttle response and not the throttle blade itself..   FWIW a larger plenum can slow throttle response tho I doubt it would ever be large enough on an HD to be an issue..

As far as your question goes.. Fill a plenum with sand would be a volumetric measurement.. Pounding sand in a plenum implies pressure which is sort of 2 dimensional but there is an element of force applied..

Max