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G'day all,
2007 fxstc 96.
I'm sick of a bearing type noise and am worried it'll go clunk and cost a bomb, so....I'm going to replace the inner cam bearings I think.
I'll do the lifters too.
So - besides the lifters, cam bearings, cam cover gasket, lifter block gaskets, what else do I need? Thanks

Pauly

cam puller and installer tools,if you dont have them,Goerges Garage is a place to get them

Hi bobby
Yup I have all the tools required.
Thanks

Pauly

If you have stock push rods, you'll need rocker cover gaskets too.

I'd be putting studs in the dowel locations if they've not been done already.

Being an '07 have you taken a look at the spring pack and rotor cup ?  How many klicks on it?

Hi Ohio
They are adjustable and collapsible so I won't be raising the rocker boxes.
Thanks
Pauly

Quote from: Ohio HD on September 28, 2014, 03:31:57 AM
If you have stock push rods, you'll need rocker cover gaskets too.

Hi fsg,
Studs instead of dowels? I'll ask you to explain that please - also, the bike has 44000 ks on it - spring pack? Rotor cup? Do you mean the compensator?

Thanks pauly

Quote from: FSG on September 28, 2014, 03:35:03 AM
I'd be putting studs in the dowel locations if they've not been done already.

Being an '07 have you taken a look at the spring pack and rotor cup ?  How many klicks on it?

The cam plate cap screws in the dowel locations have a tendency to strip the threads out of the case due to the reduced amount of thread in them.  Fitting studs to the two locations and using 12 point arp nuts ensures it wont happen.

a few threads on the subject

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,30528.msg309402.html#msg309402

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,74731.msg817981.html#msg817981

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,71979.msg784777.html#msg784777

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,20025.msg204849.html#msg204849

Thanks fsg
And the spring pack?

Pauly

Quote from: FSG on September 28, 2014, 04:38:53 AM
The cam plate cap screws in the dowel locations have a tendency to strip the threads out of the case due to the reduced amount of thread in them.  Fitting studs to the two locations and using 12 point arp nuts ensures it wont happen.
(Snip)

Quote from: pauly on September 28, 2014, 03:56:34 AM
Hi fsg,
Studs instead of dowels? I'll ask you to explain that please - also, the bike has 44000 ks on it - spring pack? Rotor cup? Do you mean the compensator?

Thanks pauly

Quote from: FSG on September 28, 2014, 03:35:03 AM
I'd be putting studs in the dowel locations if they've not been done already.

Being an '07 have you taken a look at the spring pack and rotor cup ?  How many klicks on it?

don't sweat the allen bolts on the cam plate,if not over torqued,you`ll never have a problem

Quote from: prodrag1320 on September 28, 2014, 05:52:34 AM

Quote from: pauly on September 28, 2014, 03:56:34 AM
Hi fsg,
Studs instead of dowels? I'll ask you to explain that please - also, the bike has 44000 ks on it - spring pack? Rotor cup? Do you mean the compensator?

Thanks pauly

Quote from: FSG on September 28, 2014, 03:35:03 AM
I'd be putting studs in the dowel locations if they've not been done already.

Being an '07 have you taken a look at the spring pack and rotor cup ?  How many klicks on it?

don't sweat the allen bolts on the cam plate,if not over torqued,you`ll never have a problem

Not true.  Worry about these bolt holes and use studs.

Quote from: les on September 28, 2014, 06:02:04 AM

Quote from: prodrag1320 on September 28, 2014, 05:52:34 AM
don't sweat the allen bolts on the cam plate,if not over torqued,you`ll never have a problem

Not true.  Worry about these bolt holes and use studs.

I am with the don't worry about the studs side of the arguement.
My '05 had the cams out 3-4 times, with the OEM socket head screws, my 2010 has been a part a couple times, same deal. Helped put cams in a friends bikes, stock hardware too. Just torque the screws with the dowels to the low end of the range, the rest you can crank up to the high end of the torque.

Quote from: PoorUB on September 28, 2014, 01:28:35 PM

Quote from: les on September 28, 2014, 06:02:04 AM

Quote from: prodrag1320 on September 28, 2014, 05:52:34 AM
don't sweat the allen bolts on the cam plate,if not over torqued,you`ll never have a problem

Not true.  Worry about these bolt holes and use studs.

I am with the don't worry about the studs side of the arguement.
My '05 had the cams out 3-4 times, with the OEM socket head screws, my 2010 has been a part a couple times, same deal. Helped put cams in a friends bikes, stock hardware too. Just torque the screws with the dowels to the low end of the range, the rest you can crank up to the high end of the torque.

Max

QuoteAnd the spring pack?

The Comps on the 07, 08 etc had the spring pack cup bolted then welded to the rotor.  The springs move about and eventually wear/cut through the cup then bad things happen.  See below link.  I'd be taking the primary cover off for a look.  I've said elsewhere that the newer SE Comps are IMO a bandaid.  Eventually HD and the aftermarket will get it right but in the meantime if I had a bike with the cup on the rotor I'd be modifying it rather than replacing it.  Of course that depends on what other damage has been done in the meantime.

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,73136.msg797566.html#msg797566

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,75511.msg827920.html#msg827920

Quote from: PoorUB on September 28, 2014, 01:28:35 PM

Quote from: les on September 28, 2014, 06:02:04 AM

Quote from: prodrag1320 on September 28, 2014, 05:52:34 AM
don't sweat the allen bolts on the cam plate,if not over torqued,you`ll never have a problem

Not true.  Worry about these bolt holes and use studs.

I am with the don't worry about the studs side of the arguement.
My '05 had the cams out 3-4 times, with the OEM socket head screws, my 2010 has been a part a couple times, same deal. Helped put cams in a friends bikes, stock hardware too. Just torque the screws with the dowels to the low end of the range, the rest you can crank up to the high end of the torque.

I find prevention is better than cure and in this case the cost of prevention is less than a beer or two.

Quote from: PoorUB on September 28, 2014, 01:28:35 PM

Quote from: les on September 28, 2014, 06:02:04 AM

Quote from: prodrag1320 on September 28, 2014, 05:52:34 AM
don't sweat the allen bolts on the cam plate,if not over torqued,you`ll never have a problem

Not true.  Worry about these bolt holes and use studs.

I am with the don't worry about the studs side of the arguement.
My '05 had the cams out 3-4 times, with the OEM socket head screws, my 2010 has been a part a couple times, same deal. Helped put cams in a friends bikes, stock hardware too. Just torque the screws with the dowels to the low end of the range, the rest you can crank up to the high end of the torque.

but be sure the blind holes are blown clean or they might hydrolock and you strip them out

Quote from: FSG on September 28, 2014, 01:43:24 PM

Quote from: PoorUB on September 28, 2014, 01:28:35 PM

Quote from: les on September 28, 2014, 06:02:04 AM

Quote from: prodrag1320 on September 28, 2014, 05:52:34 AM
don't sweat the allen bolts on the cam plate,if not over torqued,you`ll never have a problem

Not true.  Worry about these bolt holes and use studs.

I am with the don't worry about the studs side of the arguement.
My '05 had the cams out 3-4 times, with the OEM socket head screws, my 2010 has been a part a couple times, same deal. Helped put cams in a friends bikes, stock hardware too. Just torque the screws with the dowels to the low end of the range, the rest you can crank up to the high end of the torque.

I find prevention is better than cure and in this case the cost of prevention is less than a beer or two.

I wont argue that

My bearing noise was the inner primary.. I'm still on the stock cam bearings @35,000mi.. They will be coming out in the near future tho..

Quotebut be sure the blind holes are blown clean or they might hydrolock and you strip them out

I use brake clean and one of these ball inflating needles to blow out blind holes



being a softail the oil bag will empty itself when you remove the camplate unless you empty it first OR clamp the oil feed line closed which is what I do using a set of brake line pincers (from supercheap).  Some will say not to do this as the hose will be damaged and eventually collapse.  I hear them but have not had any problems in over 10 years.

Quote from: Max Headflow on September 28, 2014, 01:30:09 PM

Quote from: PoorUB on September 28, 2014, 01:28:35 PM

Quote from: les on September 28, 2014, 06:02:04 AM

Quote from: prodrag1320 on September 28, 2014, 05:52:34 AM
don't sweat the allen bolts on the cam plate,if not over torqued,you`ll never have a problem

Not true.  Worry about these bolt holes and use studs.

I am with the don't worry about the studs side of the arguement.
My '05 had the cams out 3-4 times, with the OEM socket head screws, my 2010 has been a part a couple times, same deal. Helped put cams in a friends bikes, stock hardware too. Just torque the screws with the dowels to the low end of the range, the rest you can crank up to the high end of the torque.

Max

Yep, of all the things I've had problems with this hasn't been one of them. Great, now I just jinxed myself.

Rick

The only thing I might add is that you might consider using full compliment Torrington bearings if you haven't already. Common wisdom seems to be that they're more reliable than the stock caged bearings. Don't know which will fit yours but someone here will prolly know.

I don't see too many posts about the newer 1" cam bearings going bad..