Can’t figure this out. Noise.

[Chippitt68]

Any chance you have 96" head gaskets in there? Piston could be contacting the fire ring.

It had the correct head gasket when I put it together. It's been apart since then, but I didn't do it. I'm not certain the Indy used the right gasket, but I don't think new lifters would have stopped
The noise. Good point tho, never had that suggestion before.

[shovelinabox]

Any chance you have 96" head gaskets in there? Piston could be contacting the fire ring.

It had the correct head gasket when I put it together. It's been apart since then, but I didn't do it. I'm not certain the Indy used the right gasket, but I don't think new lifters would have stopped
The noise. Good point tho, never had that suggestion before.

I had one in my shop that was an 88 bored to a 95. Customer ordered a gasket kit for his bike and installed it. Never took into consideration the change in bore. It was tough to find because it wasn't always there. Had to be warm engine and came in just off idle to about 3K and quit. I tore it down and found the piston just barely contacting the fire ring. Tossed in a new set of 96 gaskets and all fixed..

[N-gin]

I dropped off an Ultra Classic there. Its getting a tune.

[Chippitt68]

So, the gray silt/slime from inside the body of the lifter is normal?
Any idea why the rear intake lifter was stuck?
I've been told that the light vertical scoring on lifter bodies and faint lines on cam rollers is normal. Is this true?
Any and all opinions are appreciated. Thanks

Forgot to mention what good bunch of guys there are at Roeder racing. Tuner was great. Think his name was 'Super'. I was very happy with the results.

[koko3052]

That "silt/slime" inside of my lifters wouldn't be normal!
With the problems that you've been having with all the crap floating around inside the engine, it sounds like it was never cleaned properly after a mishap. There's only one way to correct that!

[No Cents]

So, the gray silt/slime from inside the body of the lifter is normal?
Any idea why the rear intake lifter was stuck?
I've been told that the light vertical scoring on lifter bodies and faint lines on cam rollers is normal. Is this true?
Any and all opinions are appreciated. Thanks

Forgot to mention what good bunch of guys there are at Roeder racing. Tuner was great. Think his name was 'Super'. I was very happy with the results.

    yep...right there you answered your question yourself.
The inside of your lifters shouldn't have silt/slime in them. No lifter will operate properly with junk inside them.
   I have noticed with a lot of T/C engines the lifter bores will show some up and down scoring in the bores. If you couldn't feel them with your finger nail...I wouldn't worry about that. My concern would be where is this stuff your calling silt/slime coming from. That shouldn't be there. Your new lifters will become another oil filter catch point for you if anymore of that stuff is in the engine or in the oiling system.

[1FSTRK]

Was the oil pan removed and cleaned when the engine was rebuilt?

[kd]

Was the oil pan removed and cleaned when the engine was rebuilt?

Reply 9 ... yup

[BVHOG]

Certainly sounds like a lifter that won't stay pumped up, put your B lifters in and see what happens.

[1FSTRK]

If he is getting sludge or slim in the lifters it doesn't matter what brand he installs.

[Chippitt68]

 :hug:I think I worded the silt/slime Thing poorly. To be clear, when I took them apart, I turned the body over and let the oil drain out. I drizzled it on a white paper towel and then turned it upside down to drain. I found nothing but clean oil on the towel. When i swabbed with qtip, that's when I saw some gray on the cotton. I'm not disregarding anyone's opinion, I just feel like I made it sound like the lifters were full of chit. Here is how I got to this point....
I went from 96"to 103". Bored cylinders( rear had to be replaced because oil was getting in between the liner and cylinder during boring process). Cleaned up and cc'd Heads. New valves,guides etc. when it was done, the ccp and corrected was dead on. I took it to be tuned and broken in. When I got it back, it ran hotter.  I changed the oil, and cut the filter open, found aluminum in the oil. I didn't feel comfortable taking the engine out and splitting the cases. I found a respected local guy and made arrangements to have him do it. When he had it apart, he found the the rear rod bearing had a little slop in it. Crank went to darkhorse. It was reassembled I asked about the oil pan and was told that he flushed it out(my 1st mistake) and not to worry because the cases were clean and no metal was found anywhere. I got it back after forking over a fair chunk of my hard earned cash and it was noisy. "They all sound like that" bull"Potty mouth". Drained the oil and found metal in the media. Not dust,pieces the size of a small grain of rice. Back to Indy. He owned it,'said he would take it apart and figure it out. By this time, I had learned that the pan couldn't be flushed and bought a new one. More rings, another cam plate and lifters. He told me the valves had brown powder on em. So I took the entire top end back to the man who did the bore and heads. He told me octane boost will leave that brown chit on valves. (I had used some octane boost)Checked the heads and honed cylinders, checked the new ring gaps. I should have taken the cases to him and had them checked as well. Especially the lifter bores. (Second mistake) So I get it back the second time from this guy and it's still noisy. F me. I take it home and adjust the lifters and no luck. I drain the oil again and find chit in it again. I take the filter up to his shop and cut it open in front of him. The chit is non magnetic and not aluminum. It's locktite patch and Teflon tape according to him. " I'm being a nervous nelly". "I've been building and riding Harley's for thirty years". I pull the lifters and replace em. Noise seems to change rpm. I play with the adjustment and settle on the fact that it is a noisy valve train. Go with some buds on a long ride (1000mi)and on way home it starts making the noise from the first video. End of riding season. I took it to Roeders 3 weeks ago to have the noise investigated and put my decatted stock head pipe on and have it tuned. Tune turned out great, 97/115 breaking 100 at 2200. Asked about noise. Said yours is loud side of normal. Took a short ride and when I got back, same loud ass noise. I asked guy to come out, and listen. I cannot believe that it's normal for it to be that loud. He listens, calls tech out, he listens. "Didn't make that noise on the dyno. That doesn't sound right, bad lifter" tell him what kind. They say we have trouble with those, try these. I buy them and head home. Took first video, changed lifters the next day and took second video. I'm getting real good at taking of tubes, collapsing pushrods etc. if there is still chit in the motor I've loved every harley I've had. But this one is testing my patience, and draining my wallet. So that's why I wanted to do a better job of describing what I saw when I took the lifters apart. By no means discounting anybody's advise or opinions. I've posted pics in the past, but it won't work now. If anyone is interested in seeing pics of lifters, let me know and I'll email. Thanks. I feel better now.  Naw, I still want to pick it up and throw it.

[koko3052]

 I see a brand new S&S 124 in your future.

[tmwmoose]

Running a K&P oil filter for years I've seen some strange stuff customers bikes also. One thing that threw me was a semi hard sometimes crumbly non metallic crap it would be abrasive rubbing between the fingers  to. Well it turns out to be the plastic wool stuff they use for the head breathers. Maybe bigger motor = more air flow past them working some loose . Also tried one of HD Definitive 5 oil filter kit WOW!! super fuzzy white media for filter material and it shed it like a afro on chemo .Just some ideas

[koko3052]

"and it shed it like a afro on chemo"....

[Chippitt68]

I see a brand new S&S 124 in your future.

You need my address?😂

[Chippitt68]

Pic of swab

[Chippitt68]

They all pretty much looked like this

[1FSTRK]

Well the lifters won't work with that stuff in the engine.

[FXDBI]

Well the lifters won't work with that stuff in the engine.

  engine wont work for long either. Engine work needs to be done with surgical cleanliness. Dirt and not clean enough is a major cause of failures.  Bob

[Chippitt68]

So, he didn't clean it out before he put it back together. He wasn't happy about doing it a second time and pretty much refused to look at it again. I guess I take him to small claims And see what happens. Anyone have to do this? I've got it documented,Dates,pics,etc. also have original receipt. I'll have to take it elsewhere, explain the situation and see if that shop is willing to support me in court.  Maybe it's just another kick in the nuts.