Power Vision vs Se Pro tuner

[x52gnr]

Well I am getting ready to do a mild build on my 2012 Flstc. Se 204 cams, SS adjustable pushrods S/E stage 1 air cleaner, Gaterman Lifters, V/H short shot slip ons. Already have a Se pro tuner installed. My worries are this..I have doubts and am having a hard time finding any one in my area who can tune worth a damn so I am either stuck with just re flashing my ecm with the stage 2 map (can do my self with the tuner) or changing tuners to something more user friendly.  I have read allot about the power vision and have figured for what it would cost to haul my bike god knows were to be tuned and hopefully get a good one, I can buy a power vision and attempt to tune it myself. Any one have a similar set up with the 204 cams?  Any advice or experiences would be appreciated...

Thanks

[joe_lyons]

I would choose the PV way over the sepst any day. I tune a lot of sepst and it frustrates me to mess with them when I have a PV on my bike.  Where is it that you are located?

[x52gnr]

I would choose the PV way over the sepst any day. I tune a lot of sepst and it frustrates me to mess with them when I have a PV on my bike.  Where is it that you are located?

Fredericksburg Virginia

[springer-]

Personally I would not replace any ECM based tuning program you already own with any of the other products on the market expecting to get something better out of it.  IMO, you just need it tuned properly.

[x52gnr]

. My worries are this..I have doubts and am having a hard time finding any one in my area who can tune worth a damn so I am either stuck with just re flashing my ecm with the stage 2 map (can do my self with the tuner) or changing tuners to something more user friendly.  I have read allot about the power vision and have figured for what it would cost to haul my bike god knows were to be tuned and hopefully get a good one, I can buy a power vision and attempt to tune it myself.

Personally I would not replace any ECM based tuning program you already own with any of the other products on the market expecting to get something better out of it.  IMO, you just need it tuned properly.

Thanks

Reference my first quote with yours and that is my dilema

[SniperJoe]

Power Vision over SEPT any day ...

No computer needed, easy to use, great support, even has an auto tune feature that works with stock narrow band O2 sensors.

[harpwrench]

To me SEPST isn't as user un-friendly as it first appeared, as far as navigation and use, once I got used to it. You should be able to make your mild build run fine. I'd give it a try before spending more $$.

[joe_lyons]

I didn't get that you already had a sepst.  Sorry,  if you already spend the money on one then go with what you have but I still prefer PV.  I know fuel moto has a good program if you already have a tuner and want a PV.

[Hilly13]

You can DIY tune with SEPST on a mild build as long as your 02 sensors are in good condition and located correctly in the exhaust stream, I know people that have done it successfully, just another learning curve, I'm going to do it for a freind of mine soon so will facing the same hurdle as you as I have never used one before.

[HV]

That's pretty much a Mild tune ...and easily done with a SESPT and a few Smart tune runs IF you have used one before ... starting from scratch...not having used either ....the PV is light years ahead of the SESPT ....If you have a dyno...either will work fine... PV has great tech support.... SESPT  NONE ...I do over 100 smart tunes a season with the SESPT with no Dyno and have great success ...but on my own Bike I have a PV... not so much for the Tuner as for the other features that enhance the unit... its more then a Tuner

[remington007]

If you can hook up your lap top and record a smart tune that way you can collect alot more data than useing the orange box to collect alone. The "how to smart tune" instuctions take you through setting that up. PV would be my preference too but seeing you have a tuner i would try it.

[sfmichael]

 

[fattraxx]

I have a '12 Softail Heritage Classic with SE-255's, SE air cleaner,Rush full length exhaust system,SE plugs and wires. Using Power vision with a base map from Fuel Moto.
Ran great with the new map. I've been using the auto tune basic with stock O2's.
I've ran auto tune a couple times already and reflashed,a noticeable improvement only after
a couple of runs. I plan on getting it dyno tuned after I install a 2 into 1 exhaust later this year.
So far highly reccomend the PV if you have to buy a tuner, but I agree with making the most of
what you already have.

[x52gnr]

I will read up on how to do the smart tune runs with the sepst and go that route first since I already have it...I wonder how agressive or how much of a change there is in the timing and fuel tables for the stage 2 map harley has compared to the epa compliant version of this tuner...I have never been very good at messing with these areas....

[HD/Wrench]

Overall all both are good systems. I feel that for closed loop tuning the SEST wins hands down. Way less busy than the PV and really that silly little screen on the PV . After just completing a 124 with the PV sorry there are issues and when you need to larger map that you send back its seems to be nothing more than a guess. For the basic stuff if you want a little screen to look or try to see in the sun light and play with then the PV works great for that.

I do not think you can go wrong with the basic deal most times. I feel that the PV will become less busy and have options more for tuners than the self tuners on the side of the road.

[strokerjlk]

Well I am getting ready to do a mild build on my 2012 Flstc. Se 204 cams, SS adjustable pushrods S/E stage 1 air cleaner, Gaterman Lifters, V/H short shot slip ons. Already have a Se pro tuner installed. My worries are this..I have doubts and am having a hard time finding any one in my area who can tune worth a damn so I am either stuck with just re flashing my ecm with the stage 2 map (can do my self with the tuner) or changing tuners to something more user friendly.  I have read allot about the power vision and have figured for what it would cost to haul my bike god knows were to be tuned and hopefully get a good one, I can buy a power vision and attempt to tune it myself. Any one have a similar set up with the 204 cams?  Any advice or experiences would be appreciated...

Thanks

what you have will do what you need to do.
what you will find is ...any system isnt user friendly ,until you become a user of the product.
when you hear someone run one down product for the other,it's because they dont understand the product they are using. or some guys just think because they have it ,it has to be the best.
get good with what you have. or sometimes it's cheaper to just load it up and take it somewhere you know it will get done right.

[joe_lyons]

Everybody bitches about the PV screen but I guess i am one of the only ones with 20/20 vision I guess because I can see mine with no issues and I use mine every day because it is my speedo along with the other gauges.

The SEPST will get the job good enough but it is like a cheep 2'' pocket knife vs. a leatherman.

[Hilly13]

Only it ain't cheap....

[joe_lyons]

None of the tuners are cheap.

[Hilly13]

No they are not, sepst just got a little cheaper with the download instead of buying the latest disc, whatever HD's reasoning its a win for users.

[HD/Wrench]

Everybody bitches about the PV screen but I guess i am one of the only ones with 20/20 vision I guess because I can see mine with no issues and I use mine every day because it is my speedo along with the other gauges.

The SEPST will get the job good enough but it is like a cheep 2'' pocket knife vs. a leatherman.

Being a shop that tunes I  would rather use the a monitor while tuning vs the small screen for live data  I tune with all of them every unit has its pros and cons.  I own a PV for my own bike as well ..

[uwiik]

Well I am getting ready to do a mild build on my 2012 Flstc. Se 204 cams, SS adjustable pushrods S/E stage 1 air cleaner, Gaterman Lifters, V/H short shot slip ons. Already have a Se pro tuner installed. My worries are this..I have doubts and am having a hard time finding any one in my area who can tune worth a damn so I am either stuck with just re flashing my ecm with the stage 2 map (can do my self with the tuner) or changing tuners to something more user friendly.  I have read allot about the power vision and have figured for what it would cost to haul my bike god knows were to be tuned and hopefully get a good one, I can buy a power vision and attempt to tune it myself. Any one have a similar set up with the 204 cams?  Any advice or experiences would be appreciated...

Thanks

I am on the same dilema myself. My bike has SEPST installed when I bought it but the geniusses at dealership simply loaded a wrong base map on it and be done with it...I am computer savy and know a thing or two about tuning, but this SEPST thing just overwhelmed me. I also found out myself that tuning with SEPST really is not convenient, having to constantly deal with connecting and disconnecting plugs, reflash procedure, this and that, and the biggest downside to me, having to deal with windows OS, everybody know windows suck with all the antivirus and gazillion of running background programs that might interfere with what you are doing in the worst time...i reformatted my old windows laptop and install nothing but SEPST software for my peace of mind. On the other hand, I think PV is really great that you can tune your bike conveniently by having built in touchscreen on tune in an instant and not having to deal with other software that might crash and cause cathastropic failure at the worst time...

I am sure if I have enough time to devote to learn SEPST I will eventually get it and able to tune my bike properly with it, but unfortunately I don't have that much time, and even more unfortunate, I don't have the money to buy Power Vision right now, so I am forced to stick with my SEPST and learn to the best of my ability.

Bottomline is, if you are prepared to pay the cost OR you don't have much time to fiddle and learn, I would say go for it and ditch that SEPST and make a very expensive keychain out of it, that way you'll never lost your key...

I don't have firsthand experience, but from what I read, there are plenty of support for PV and one can get very close to perfection just by rellying on PV maps from PV vendors or auto tune...

Just my two cents...

Peace

[HD/Wrench]

For the most part I would agree you can do a good job on your own for the mild builds with the auto set up..

[hdmanillac]

The SEPST will get the job good enough but it is like a cheep 2'' pocket knife vs. a leatherman.

I'd say a Romain Gally (SEPST) vs US Space Shuttle (DPV) !

[x52gnr]

Well I am getting ready to do a mild build on my 2012 Flstc. Se 204 cams, SS adjustable pushrods S/E stage 1 air cleaner, Gaterman Lifters, V/H short shot slip ons. Already have a Se pro tuner installed. My worries are this..I have doubts and am having a hard time finding any one in my area who can tune worth a damn so I am either stuck with just re flashing my ecm with the stage 2 map (can do my self with the tuner) or changing tuners to something more user friendly.  I have read allot about the power vision and have figured for what it would cost to haul my bike god knows were to be tuned and hopefully get a good one, I can buy a power vision and attempt to tune it myself. Any one have a similar set up with the 204 cams?  Any advice or experiences would be appreciated...

Thanks

I am on the same dilema myself. My bike has SEPST installed when I bought it but the geniusses at dealership simply loaded a wrong base map on it and be done with it...I am computer savy and know a thing or two about tuning, but this SEPST thing just overwhelmed me. I also found out myself that tuning with SEPST really is not convenient, having to constantly deal with connecting and disconnecting plugs, reflash procedure, this and that, and the biggest downside to me, having to deal with windows OS, everybody know windows suck with all the antivirus and gazillion of running background programs that might interfere with what you are doing in the worst time...i reformatted my old windows laptop and install nothing but SEPST software for my peace of mind. On the other hand, I think PV is really great that you can tune your bike conveniently by having built in touchscreen on tune in an instant and not having to deal with other software that might crash and cause cathastropic failure at the worst time...

I am sure if I have enough time to devote to learn SEPST I will eventually get it and able to tune my bike properly with it, but unfortunately I don't have that much time, and even more unfortunate, I don't have the money to buy Power Vision right now, so I am forced to stick with my SEPST and learn to the best of my ability.

Bottomline is, if you are prepared to pay the cost OR you don't have much time to fiddle and learn, I would say go for it and ditch that SEPST and make a very expensive keychain out of it, that way you'll never lost your key...

I don't have firsthand experience, but from what I read, there are plenty of support for PV and one can get very close to perfection just by rellying on PV maps from PV vendors or auto tune...

Just my two cents...

Peace

  After kicking it around some more I pulled the trigger and ordered a power Vision from Fuel Moto.  spent quite a bit of time on the phone with Brian and he answered all my questions to my satisfaction. They also have a trade in program going on so I can send my Sepst orange box in and Can get 150$ credited back to me. That kinda takes some of the sting out of it....So i am rationalizing that  the cost for me to haul the bike somewhere for a  tune that may or may not be good and the rebate I am at a break even point. Based on the research i have done I am feeling good about this decision...