Nasty 110 Build

[NHBagger]

Here's another what if question...is it possible to do a 110 that goes 130/130 and still crosses 100 Tq at 2000 without having the CR up around 11:1?

[sfmichael]

seems like a tall order

[HighLiner]

The Zippers extreme muscle kit is close.

[sfmichael]

won't cross 100tq @ 2000 rpm and uses a .687 lift cam with 1.725 rockers opening the valve to .730

not your everyday touring rig...and likely lower end would need to be built to handle 150hp

what's the intended use?

I was thinking if you wanted torque that early that maybe you wanted a touring / daily driver?

   

[kd]

This is kinda like what it takes.

http://www.harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=91480.0

[HD/Wrench]

Just did a 110 drop on kit . IT made 128/128 and made 110 tq at 2100 GMR CNC GMR 600 S&S kit 10.8 Rush wrath pipe with 2.25 baffle to drive the tq up. HP would have been more with the 2.5 but tq lower would have been less .  Now could you get WAY crazy and build larger power numbers sure . But if you can get off a goal that mean not much other than bragging rights you could have a very nice running bike without it being a bar hopper type build .   

[kd]

   and that's a nice outcome

[HD/Wrench]

I have posted several of these up My FB page has all of them as its just easier to post them there. But Pipe will be crucial is having the tq curve you want . Forget about " the number" and enjoy the power of a kit that works.. Or just run it on a " lucky dyno " thats always good for a nice sheet 

[Deye76]

This is kinda like what it takes.

http://www.harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=91480.0

Just under 13:1 CR. 

[NHBagger]

won't cross 100tq @ 2000 rpm and uses a .687 lift cam with 1.725 rockers opening the valve to .730

not your everyday touring rig...and likely lower end would need to be built to handle 150hp

what's the intended use?

I was thinking if you wanted torque that early that maybe you wanted a touring / daily driver?

   

Yup, daily driver and touring but a Rushmore Trike.  It really takes big 2 wheel numbers to really a trike good power.

And yes Steve I knew you were close.  GMR

[ndmp40]

Not nasty, and not 110.  But close...

SE 113 kit, 10.5 static pistons, MVA heads, Blackwidow 62 cam, and 55 TB.  Add in a Supertrapp pipe (dyna) and a good tune.
130/131 and very docile.  Not nasty, but real fast in a light dyna.

[Don D]

Not hard.
Ported stock heads, CVO 110 heads, at 11:1 with a good pipe and tune and a 58mm tb

[TorQuePimp]

  Its a trike

130/130 is one thing on 1 wheel something else with a trike

exhaust system is different

[sfmichael]

Not hard.
Ported stock heads, CVO 110 heads, at 11:1 with a good pipe and tune and a 58mm tb

"goes 130/130 and still crosses 100 Tq at 2000 without having the CR up around 11:1?"


what cam are you plugging in there that meets all his criteria?   

[Durwood]

A 130/130 bike build will be in the 125-130tq/105-110hp area on a trike.

Also the curve will move to the right from what I have seen on my dyno, a bike build that usually hits 100tq at 2000 will cross 100tq at roughly 2500 on the three wheeled counterpart.

Rotational mass is so much greater and as John pointed out the exhaust is different as well. I tuned a trike last year that had a proven good slip on muffler for a bike, but on the trike exhaust they were sub par, I swapped out the mufflers and moved the curve back to the left 500 rpm, while keeping the peak numbers the same.

[HD/Wrench]

Like I said dont worry about the numbers .. 110 drop on kit with a small cam will make it a very nice machine without much fuss

[NHBagger]

LOL, well Steve, already did that.  110 running a CR570 with a little head work, CR at 10:1.
Runs well, but looking for a little more.
Probably should have done 110.
I think we will try an SE585 next and if that doesn't do it maybe Tman600.
Not really ready to pump up the CR much.

[1FSTRK]

http://www.harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=30644.msg310167#msg310167

[Tail Ridr]

Local Indy uses Zippers 577 quite a bit with good results... a bit more duration than any cam I'm looking for (or think I'm looking for) , but you can't refute the results.

[TorQuePimp]

LOL, well Steve, already did that.  110 running a CR570 with a little head work, CR at 10:1.
Runs well, but looking for a little more.
Probably should have done 110.
I think we will try an SE585 next and if that doesn't do it maybe Tman600.
Not really ready to pump up the CR much.

You are barking up the wrong cam tree

[lucasg]

I have posted several of these up My FB page has all of them as its just easier to post them there. But Pipe will be crucial is having the tq curve you want . Forget about " the number" and enjoy the power of a kit that works.. Or just run it on a " lucky dyno " thats always good for a nice sheet 

Priceless Steve...

[NHBagger]

LOL, well Steve, already did that.  110 running a CR570 with a little head work, CR at 10:1.
Runs well, but looking for a little more.
Probably should have done 110.
I think we will try an SE585 next and if that doesn't do it maybe Tman600.
Not really ready to pump up the CR much.

You are barking up the wrong cam tree

Okay, ready to listen,  I have seen decent results from both of these?

[sfmichael]

LOL, well Steve, already did that.  110 running a CR570 with a little head work, CR at 10:1.
Runs well, but looking for a little more.
Probably should have done 110.
I think we will try an SE585 next and if that doesn't do it maybe Tman600.
Not really ready to pump up the CR much.

I'm a little confused...you already have a 110 or you are considering one?

[NHBagger]

Sorry, just noticed that myself.  Meant to say I probably should have gone 117.

[m1marty]

I'm doing a 110 with Mackie 598s, HPI 58mm and a Dragula. Heads/pistons will have this motor at roughly 10.8ish. I'll keep you posted as to the results but I expect HP to meet your goal and we will see about tq. Current 107 with different heads but same otherwise put down a best of 128/124. TQ started at 110# and never dropped below that out to 6200