Biggest Bang for the Buck TC 95" Combinations

[Jettbiker]

I have an '04 Deuce (88" FI motor) and am looking for a proven easy combination to build a 95" that will get me at or above  100Hp/100tq range.

I want to build the motor with just bolt ons, Heads, Cams, Pistons, Jugs and Power Commander for tuning fuel and timing.  Maybe some minor machining to get the quench within specs.   I want to stay between 9 to 1 and 10 to 1 compression, so I don't have to run compression releases.

The dyno numbers I have seen are all over the board for different combinations.  I know this has been beat to death, but I would be very interested in dyno proven combinations that work.

[555]

Me too please

[Mike52]

This is the perfect candidate for the 'Hippo' build, one of the easiest, most used, dependable builds on HTT.

It uses,
S.E. Perf. heads right out of the box
S.E. flat top pistons (needs to have the intake valve reliefs opened up)
Cometic .030" head gaskets for proper squish
S&S 570 cams
S.E. adjustable push rods

If you hit the 100/100 marks will depend a lot on the exhaust you have and a proper tune, but this build has proven time and again that it's capable of producing the numbers.

Have fun,
Mike

[GoFast.....]

I have an '04 Deuce (88" FI motor) and am looking for a proven easy combination to build a 95" that will get me at or above  100Hp/100tq range.

I want to build the motor with just bolt ons, Heads, Cams, Pistons, Jugs and Power Commander for tuning fuel and timing.  Maybe some minor machining to get the quench within specs.   I want to stay between 9 to 1 and 10 to 1 compression, so I don't have to run compression releases.

The dyno numbers I have seen are all over the board for different combinations.  I know this has been beat to death, but I would be very interested in dyno proven combinations that work.

Mike if you not going to say it I will. How about a 95" Bolt in WT 26 cam with Bob Wright heads and a 51 hpi Tb,That will come in betwwen 110 to 120hp
and Start without compression releases and is easy on the valve train

[roadglide65]

And the biggest bang for the buck would be the HIPPO build....

[Fxstchewy]

Yep, I have to go with that build...........I Did 

[1FastBagger]

Have an early Hippo build and it still runs strong as day 1. 100hp 104tq

[Rugby_fxdwg]

Whats a HIPPO build?

[mayor]

Whats a HIPPO build?

read post #2. 

The Hippo is a proven performer, but I'll also mention that a good set of heads and the right cam will get you in the 100/100 area as well.  Here's a few other milder cams that can make the mark: TW37's, Woods 6, and Crane 290.  To me, the secret to performance is in the heads- especially with the older head castings.

[Ohio Phil]

Well my Hippo build was a TW37 cam, SBC heads, SE flattop pistons, SERT,W/B E-Pipe = 95hp 105tq   Crank cameapart after 30,000 miles.
So I went with stroker 103 crank all else the same now she is 105hp 115tq man I like my chopper 2003 roadglide  (Thanks Hippo )

[flhstd103]

S/E Pro Kompressor heads Part #17044-08.        Chicago H.D price $ 479.96
S/E 95" flat top cast pistons Part #22851-99A.                           $ 143.96
S/E 211 cam Part #25152-00.                                                  $ 215.96
S/E quick install push rods. Part #17997-99A.                             $ 117.56
High flow air cleaner

This combo should  give you 100hp / 105tq with the right exhaust.

If you going to use a gear drive cam andrew TW50g.
IMO I think the S/E race tuner works better than the power commander.

[04efidynasuperglide]

i'm going to do the hippo build with crane 290 cams, got off e bay for 50.00!  what pistons are needed for 95 build that  are  clearanced for larger valves of SE heads?? 

scott

[GoFast.....]

S/E Pro Kompressor heads Part #17044-08.        Chicago H.D price $ 479.96

Are these the correct heads? That part number don't look right & neither does the price 

Everyone just needs to know that the SE heads only flow about 15% more than stock unless they have changed. The number 1 reason why head porters are so busy. I would sooner put the 479.00 in a stock ported head. I wanted the SEs because of the logo on them but by the time I sent them out to increase the flow I had to much in them. I would at least have them checked to make sure your build comes out right

[Reddog74usa]

Since were talkin "Bang for the buck" I have to go with the Hippo build as Mike listed it. That is exactly what I am running in my 99RK. It runs so good I don't want to touch it and that's sayin somthin. This combo runs very smooth, quiet and is very reliable.

[Billy]

Another option here:

http://www.t-manperformance.com/kits.htm

Stage 1 kit with 525 cams for $1450. I just did one set up at 9.8:1, no releases. Didn't dyno it but I expect it to be in the 100/100 range.

Great bang for the buck. 

[taz95dog]

if you're doing any hi-po build,why not use c/r ?  not that much more.comes in handy sometimes with hot restsrts...bill...

[flhstd103]

S/E Pro Kompressor heads Part #17044-08.        Chicago H.D price $ 479.96

Are these the correct heads? That part number don't look right & neither does the price 

Yes they are correct part # right out the 09 S/E catalog regular price 599.95 ,chicago H.D. 20% off just go
to chicago harley davidson and punch in the part #.

[FSG]

S/E Pro Compressor heads Part #17044-08

http://harleytechtalk.net/htt/index.php?topic=1768.0

[mayor]

S/E Pro Kompressor heads Part #17044-08.        Chicago H.D price $ 479.96

Are these the correct heads? That part number don't look right & neither does the price 

I agree with 05, the Kompressor heads aren't the heads that people used to use in the Hippo build it was the Performance heads which sold at a higher price. 

just curious, has anyone bought and tried a set of Kompressor heads yet?

[Gulfstream]

Kompressor= 06 style heads, stock valve sizes, decked .060", and a cheesy SE Logo Plate riveted on...for $479 I'd pass! They're NOT the SE Performance heads of old, that would be the "new" SE MCR Heads.

[Jettbiker]

Still not sure which heads are the best for the Hippo build.  I heard good things about the htcc heads, but S/E doesn't make the htcc cnc ported heads anymore.  Are the MCR heads similar to the htcc heads?

[Deye76]

Still not sure which heads are the best for the Hippo build.  I heard good things about the htcc heads, but S/E doesn't make the htcc cnc ported heads anymore.  Are the MCR heads similar to the htcc heads?

NO. The MCR heads are same as the SE Performance heads, which is what you want for a Hippo build. HTCC heads have a different combustion chamber, larger intake valves.

[tomp]

-The MCR heads are the old regular/stand SE Heads with bathtub chambers to match 88", 95" and 103" piston shapes. Still has manaul compression release for the older bikes without the auto compression release wiring harness
-The ACR heads are the old regular/stand SE Heads with CVO chambers to match 96", 103" and 110" piston shapes. Has provision for auto compression release for the newer bikes with the auto compression release wiring harness
-The new Kompressor heads are nothing more than stock heads with a tighter combustion chamber and a SE emblem on them. Jury is still out on the compression release provision type as I dont know anyone dumb enough to buy these.
-The HTCC heads have proven to be a ping monster with the hot spots in the combustion chamber and piston shapes. Both CNC and regular HTCC are no longer produced. The issue was mainly due to Tuners not knowing that the faster burn rate characteristics of these heads/piston shapes required lower timing tables to compensate - thus pinging issues arose.
-The 103+ heads flow well enough to produce 130hp in an ideal world on paper (125hp is obtainable). They have very good low-lift flow rates due to the size of the valves/ports but need some cleanup in the ports as they are not CNC'd
-The 110+ heads flow slightly more than the 103+ heads and have slightly larger intake valves. They flow well enough to produce 135hp in an ideal world but need some cleanup in the ports as they are not CNC'd
-The MVA heads are the new King of SE heads offerings, surpassing even the previous HTCC CNC heads. Now with larger valves, as they were limiting factor on previous HTCC CNC heads. They also have new chambers that are more forgiving and less prone to pinging. These heads (on paper) are capable of reaching 140hp.

[Lamar07]

has any one ever flowed the se heads I had the 103+ heads stock they seem to work well for the money.

[GoFast.....]

-The MCR heads are the old regular/stand SE Heads with bathtub chambers to match 88", 95" and 103" piston shapes. Still has manaul compression release for the older bikes without the auto compression release wiring harness
-The ACR heads are the old regular/stand SE Heads with CVO chambers to match 96", 103" and 110" piston shapes. Has provision for auto compression release for the newer bikes with the auto compression release wiring harness
-The new Kompressor heads are nothing more than stock heads with a tighter combustion chamber and a SE emblem on them. Jury is still out on the compression release provision type as I dont know anyone dumb enough to buy these.
-The HTCC heads have proven to be a ping monster with the hot spots in the combustion chamber and piston shapes. Both CNC and regular HTCC are no longer produced. The issue was mainly due to Tuners not knowing that the faster burn rate characteristics of these heads/piston shapes required lower timing tables to compensate - thus pinging issues arose.
-The 103+ heads flow well enough to produce 130hp in an ideal world on paper (125hp is obtainable). They have very good low-lift flow rates due to the size of the valves/ports but need some cleanup in the ports as they are not CNC'd
-The 110+ heads flow slightly more than the 103+ heads and have slightly larger intake valves. They flow well enough to produce 135hp in an ideal world but need some cleanup in the ports as they are not CNC'd
-The MVA heads are the new King of SE heads offerings, surpassing even the previous HTCC CNC heads. Now with larger valves, as they were limiting factor on previous HTCC CNC heads. They also have new chambers that are more forgiving and less prone to pinging. These heads (on paper) are capable of reaching 140hp.

Without a flow sheet on these heads its hard to really know. I do not have a problem with saying a SE product can make decent power but the facts are, one we do not have flow sheets on these heads that we all can look at and very few dyno sheets that say they can. I have been to 135hp and it is not easy to get to in a real world. My brother inlaw got his 110 to 125 and it took reworking the 110 heads, a bigger cam and a hpi TB, If the MVA Heads are the new king then we need someone who has a flow bench and a connect with a dealership to get their hands on a set and flow them to see if they live up to their advertized billing.