Which Evo Ignition Module?

[Flat Dog]

Which module did you use for your build? I keep leaning to a 10'5"1 compression ratio, so the generic SE module probably won't cut it since I'll have to tweak te advance curve. Should I go with the tried and true hi-4, or are there better choices available these days? Just in case...application is a 1995 80" evo with a high lift cam, dyna platform.

Thanks!!!

-John

[Flat Dog]

Dyna 2000, maybe?

[riden2low]

I went with a Crane HI-4 and like it... Some people have had trouble with them. It is a very sensitive unit and I went with a crane regulator, crane HI-4 module and the crane coil. This way I made sure that by matching the electrical system there would be less problems. The Crane regulator charges your system when your battery needs charging. Not like stock that is always charging full bore all of the time. Check their web site out and it will explain it more through. Rode all Summer and no problems at all.

[riden2low]

Dyna is good. I have never tried Dyna but I am sure someone will on the site let you know how they like them.

[Buddy WMC]

Running the Dyna 2000 external module setup on single fire on mine as I like to keep the heat away from the electronics. No problems at all and still running Voes. We initially set up on curve #4 for break in, but the dyno liked curve #2 the best, so that's where we are at. No pinging at all on 93 octane @10.5 to 1 with the ported SE heads.

[Flat Dog]

Thanks Buddy-I think we are going to have close to the same bike, but yours will handle better.

[bobrk1]

Had my HI-4 go bad and it would ping becaude the brain would advance it, ride with a few guys that have no probems though, I run a daytona twin-tech, dual or single fire mulispark and you can set about 9 different advance setting also head-quarters has one theres only has 30 degrees total advance they say with a performance motor you dont need a lot, wish i bought that one would like to see any diff.

[Mark222]

I am running an external Dyna 2000 module on my 85 build.  Head work, decked .040, 10:1 pistons, Crane H-290-2 Cam, Miik 42 and Python III pipes.  Run 93 Octane whenever I can get it, never pings set on #4 setting if I recall.  Using the S/F mode with a Crane coil.  No problems with the ign mod in 13 years, but have replaced two coils.  Since my bike is getting older I have bought a spare coil and ign mod (same as what I am running) off ebay and carry both on trips.  Never needed either yet, but figured it is good to be prepared.

Mark

[Nebraskarider1]

I run an Ultima which is the very same unit as the Dyna 2000i nosecone. Dyna told me that on the phone. I havent had any problems with it in about 7k miles. It runs about 130 from Jirehcycles.com with coil and wires and rotor. Its not listed on their website. It has 4 selectable advance curves and if you buy a programming kit for about 88 bucks more you can program your own custom curve into it.

[surf]

Nebraska, how do you get that set up from Jireh?

[lionsm13]

Crane HI 4 E plug and play, right into the old stock slot. Nice and easy.

[BigE1340]

I like the Dyna 2000i have had it on my RevTech 100" motor for 3years and no problems.No knock and never left me stuck.Had two Crane Hi4E go bad and both times left me stuck.Crane did warranty the module ,but still a major bummer out in the middle of nowhere.....   

[Flat Dog]

With the 2000P module, will the stock coil work, or will I have to get a different one to use the single fire mode? If I remember correctly, single fire needs a 3 ohm coil or the module could burn out.

[Buddy WMC]

Ya gotta use a single fire coil to run single fire. The stock coil should work just fine with dual fire, but I'd upgrade to nothing less than an SE coil if you are staying with dual fire. I can give you a part number for a single fire coil, but you would need to double check the fitment for your Dyna. The part number I have is a direct replacement for my stock FXR coil located on the motor mount between the cylinders. I'd also go for a set of Accel 8mm carbon core wires as well while you are at it. Everything I'm running is compatible with the Dyna 2000.

[Flat Dog]

Got the Accel wires already...I think the regular single fire coil that fits FL style frames is the correct fit-the spare that I sold last summer, of course. The FXR coil is a different shape.

I think at 244 degrees of duration, I should be ok for now running dual fire til I can get the single all set up. Thanks again!!!

[Nebraskarider1]

Jireh doesn't show it on their website but when I called them they still offer it for 149.95. It is part number 53-660.

[Flat Dog]

Dang...is that a single fire unit?

[shovelkid73]

I ran the hi-4 on my shovel all last season, didn't get the evo till late. If my Hi-4 lasted in a solid mount 4 speed that gets run hard(not quite a stock motor) , I'll put it in my rubber mount evo, it should be in middle of next week.

[Flat Dog]

I had no hi-4 problems on my shovel ever, but did have a stock evo pick up melt on me.

[Reddog74usa]

DTT makes a nice external unit. There are a lot of guys on here that can hook you up with a map you can down load if you wanted to. Heres the midwest numbers for the crane and dyna 2000i
dyna is midwest#53-644  crane is midwest#53-660

[Flat Dog]

Picked up a Dyna at just over cost-thanks!!!

[IN SEARCH OF]

Which module did you use for your build? I keep leaning to a 10'5"1 compression ratio, so the generic SE module probably won't cut it since I'll have to tweak te advance curve. Should I go with the tried and true hi-4, or are there better choices available these days? Just in case...application is a 1995 80" evo with a high lift cam, dyna platform.

Thanks!!!

-John

[IN SEARCH OF]

I'm running the Dyna 2000. I think there are 7 different settings on this bad boy to help "dial in" the motor to max out put.

[Blazing Saddles]

Ran the Crane S-F unit on a hot 80" build for years with absolutely no problems. I used their coil and regulator as well.Had problems with the Dyna unit I originally installed. As of the past 5 years I have run a Crane on a S&S 107" motor at 9.5:1 with a .520 cam. Again, absolutely no problems. Check your coil as they can crack and cause problems. I cary a spare on long road trips just for insurance.

Blazin' 

[Buddy WMC]

Just for shi*s and giggles, my engine likes 35 degrees total timing set with a timing light on the dyno. Curve #2 on single fire was the best with my combo with the Dyna 2000. So far starts right up and is reliable, IMHO my dyno guy is the best there is. We know what the problems are (possibly too much duration with the cam and the exhaust system) and I'm choosing to let them slide for the moment. Waiting to see how John's 5010 works out compared to my 5015 even though his bike is heavier. Still 98.6 and 95.3 is pretty stout in my book .

[Flat Dog]

Seems pretty well dialed in, altho I'll wait til after 500 mile great in to check the plugs. I'm running a 165 main on the mikuni, and everything seems to respond well.

Gotta go back and trash these garbage maddog lifters and pushrods for decent harley units. The Maddog units are garbage-lifters won't even pump up, and are noisier than freakin solids. Absolute crap-what a huge waste of my time and $. Last time I ever buy anything from a florida eBayer.

[Buddy WMC]

I could have told you about that junk ahead of time, at least you fixed it I hope.

[gaillarry]

Seems pretty well dialed in, altho I'll wait til after 500 mile great in to check the plugs. I'm running a 165 main on the mikuni, and everything seems to respond well.

Gotta go back and trash these garbage maddog lifters and pushrods for decent harley units. The Maddog units are garbage-lifters won't even pump up, and are noisier than freakin solids. Absolute crap-what a huge waste of my time and $. Last time I ever buy anything from a florida eBayer.

I was looking at buying those Maddog lifters/pushrods but after your comments I'll stick with SE parts.

[Reddog74usa]

Yep Maddog is crap from wofong stay away.

[Flat Dog]

i have two sets. One is going under the sledgehammer....

Actually, they did pump up after a little over 24 hours. The rods had the standard oversized rub marks all over them. Junk mistake that cost me a LOT of $. I know better....

(edited to get rid of smart ass remarks)

[Flat Dog]

Does 'Wofong' mean Chinese garbage? If so, two thumbs up...

[nuts4shovels]

try WWW.Powerarc.com


works for me--good people

Nuts

[Flat Dog]

On the Dyna 2000 on the micro switches, the UP position is on, correct? Seems like the tiny type on the box says so, but I can't find my magnifying glass...


BTW-found a way around having to pull the module off to adjust things-cut a hole out of the mounting plate with a dremel and a cutting wheel, then use a stone to smooth out the edges. Bingo-adjusting window for the LEDs and micro switches!

[Xanadu]

I have the Dyna 2000 ignition module that mounts under the seat on my 93 fatboy.  I also have the dyna single fire coil as well.  Had the coil go bad shortly after I got the setup, Dyna sent me a new coil and it has been fine since then.  I have had the ignition module for at least 10 years now.  and have done a lot of motor work since then and used many of the different settings on that module.  It has been a great part for me.  I have heard so many failure of the crane Hi-4 module on this site.  I am not sure if the perceived high failure rate is due to the popularity of the crane product as opposed to the Dyna module.  So I cant get a good read on the failure rate of the Dyna part.  Losing an ignition module or coil in the middle of nowhere is nothing to desire!

X-man

[Flat Dog]

I would guess it's the huge # of Hi-4 units in use, Xanadu. I had 2, and never had a problem. I do think Buddy's theory of using a module and a stock pickup to keep the electronics away from roasting heat is a pretty sound idea...especially since I have had (as previously stated) an HD nosecone pickup melt. I'd rather toast a $30-$40 part than a $200 one.

[IN SEARCH OF]

I have a 99 Softail Custom (last evo).Has Branch stage 4 heads with matching 10:5 to 1 pistons, Andrews EV-59 cam (570 lift, 255 duration, Mikuni 42 carb, V&H Big radius pipes...have the Dyna pak 2000 on it, and have never had any problems of any kind.

[Beave]

On a road trip back in August of 2000 I had a Hi-4 expire on my 86 Evo on a Sunday morning at the Beaver City Inconvenience store in Beaver City Nebraska.  Before I said anything the locals had noticed my dilemma and called in the resident motorcycle mechanic who towed me the two blocks to his shop. There we installed the old twin plus ignition that I had replaced, but brought along as a spare.  He helped me with the installation, opened the auto parts store to get me some plugs, shared his best beer, and escorted us thirty miles down the road to make sure we were OK.  So while I have experienced a failure with the Crane unit, it was a very pleasant experience!

[mc9395]

Hey I use mostly Power-arc ignitions in my shop. Try the new IDS single fire  with a 80,000 volt coil made by power arc. I have them in many stock evos also many S&S motors. I use on in my old 93 cu.in. S&S my 107 and just fired up my new 124 S&S with one. Use a VOES switch. Datona twin tech is good but this is the real deal. Under $400. and you get what you pay for. Call 1-515-9647608 ask for Gary and tell him some guy from the swamps sent you and he wil program one for you or www.powerarc.com. I have found this one to bring out the power you already have.  This can also be used in Shovels and Sportsters. Good luck