HILLSIDE 131 twin cam build

[partycrasher]

With the help of the Palmer brothers at Hillside Motorcycle & machine in NY, My JIms 131 is currently undergoing major reconstructive surgery. Hillside custom cylinder head modifications, Horse power inc 62mm TB, 662-2 cams, new wiseco specialty pistons and a few others mods...... to ensure that the new year comes in as fast as a speeding bullett. This "sleeper" bagger should wake the dead when all is said and done. Can't wait!!!

[Unbalanced]

Partycrasher,

Is the 60 mm new ?  If you are using the cam plate that comes with the 131 depending on dates of when you received the motor you may want to verify your cam plate is the latest there were some issues on cam plates failing due to soft materials (per Jim's). 

Hope it turns out well and ushers in a speedy new year !

[Don D]

Didn't know HPI made or created a reworked 60 FBW???

[partycrasher]

decoy--Thanks for the 411 on the cam plate....i will look into it.

[TXChop]

Sounds killer!   
Keep us posted..

[aharp]

I've talked to Scott about this motor and I am waiting anxiously to see how it turns out 

[rigidthumper]

That would be your basic nuclear ballistic missile!
Better get a Velcro seat and and fuzzy britches!

[ChromeWhore]

What do you speculate the numbers will be? 

[partycrasher]

my stock jims 131 put out about 132tq and 120 hp. at the rear wheel......i would think there will be a good improvement--but dont really know where the numbers will land.

[Hillside Motorcycle]

The 662-2 is in the cam chest at this point (btw VERY, VERY similar to a Wood 9F), modified t/body hit the door on 12/30, and the Wiesco pistons are in transit at this point.
Heads are looking very good from the work, and flow testing data we have gathered.
Gettin' closer by the day.
Scott

[moose]

anyone have the info on the cnc heads jims has on their newer 131's      do they flow better than their older ones or the same

[Hillside Motorcycle]

On this particular set, the front head was not bad out of the gate, but the rear flow data, was waaaaaaaaaaay less, in spite of the obivious CNC work that was done.
Not any more, though.
Scott

[HD/Wrench]

Be great to see some before and after flow data on those heads.  Sounds like a killer set up. The 662-2 has made some very good power in 124's & 117's so should be good to see how it works in a 131. 

[pwmorris]

Be great to see some before and after flow data on those heads.  Sounds like a killer set up. The 662-2 has made some very good power in 124's & 117's so should be good to see how it works in a 131. 

Oh yeah, hold on baby!
Partycrasher, you wanted to step up your game on your 131", man you are steppin' WAYYY up....

[xzo124]

Have you already converted over to chain. If not  YOU WILL . I'm guessing it will be in the 160+range on the torque side....xzo

[xzo124]

Mine is a touring bike also ,  I've toured Dallas several times and a lot of it on 1 tire !!!LOL.....xzo

[partycrasher]

....now your talkin! The problem with fast-as-hell harleys is all the explaining you have to do to the race bike crowd after you throttle past them.......

[xzo124]

....now your talkin! The problem with fast-as-hell harleys is all the explaining you have to do to the race bike crowd after you throttle past them.......

WATCH OUT CROTCH ROCKETS I'm comin round!!!!..xzo

[xzo124]

Partycrasher or Scott , What CR did ya'll set the motor at ? just wondering.....xzo

[HD/Wrench]

got a 73 iron head here that you can feel when it is running as well    . Enjoy the new found power.

[Hillside Motorcycle]

Partycrasher or Scott , What CR did ya'll set the motor at ? just wondering.....xzo

11.0.
Scott

[aharp]

I was on the phone with Scott when this motor fired off. I thought a dump truck had driven through the building.

[xzo124]

It's definately going to be a handful  ...xzo

[partycrasher]

I'm told that the heat cycling is complete...

[wurk_truk]

did that engine fit the frame without modification?

[partycrasher]

yes it did.

[pwmorris]

You might want to let everyone know where you live-so they can tread lightly cruzin' your streets...
There is a new Sheriff in town!

[partycrasher]

pwmorris---Except for the bass note barking from the boarzilla, i like to surprise folks with the power......as Sun Tzu said concerning the  "Nature of Surprise".....


"In conflict, direct confrontation will lead to engagement and surprise will lead to victory.

Those who are skilled in producing surprises will win.......In directing a conflict, there is only ambush or direct confrontation. Yet their combinations produce a variation of possible battle plans"

[partycrasher]

well the motor work is complete and soon i will ship it off to the tuner to see how it shakes out.....

[mark mpdc]

well the motor work is complete and soon i will ship it off to the tuner to see how it shakes out.....

Hey Partycrasher can you take a video of that monster build and post it up so we can see it?

[partycrasher]

the tuner is about 4.5 hours away from me so when it returns back i will try to get a vid of it running.....unfortunately--just got 14 inches of snow here today............

[Harleytwostar]

How the heck do you hold on to something like that...................

[mark mpdc]

Hey Partycrasher,
let me ask you this question.Do you feel with this build that you should be able to ride cross country?I ask this because
i have gotten different opinions about big build bikes that aren't made to do that kind of riding and i wanted to get your take on it because i myself might go with a build that similiar later next year and for me a bike should be built to run across country no matter what the size of the motor if it runs on the highway.

[xzo124]

How the heck do you hold on to something like that...................

Two hands and a darn good set of BUTT CHEEKS  !!!...xzo

[03deuce]

I would certainly consider a rider back rest to keep you on the saddle and not sliding backwards!

Do these big inch motors produce more engine vibration than say a basic big bore engine?

Congrats.  Looks like a nice ride.

[partycrasher]

03 deuce....when joe the tuner got the bike, he called me a said he was amazed at how quiet the motor was and that he could not believe how little vibration there was. The jims motors have come a long way. And with some head mods, there is plenty more power to be had.

[x52gnr]

[xzo124--i had scott at hillside fashion me a seat belt to lock me in place for those hard launches...
[/quote]


  Seatbelt, heck I think you need a 3 point harness...lol

[xzo124]

Partycrasher , there will definately a learning curve that you have to go thru riding that thing it will want to boil the tire instantly with any accessive throttle givin to it . And when you get to where you can launch  and hook up You WILL be going to a chain, because it will strip the teeth right off the belt . Been there Done that...xzo

[timtoolman]

 

[mark mpdc]

xzo-- Riding curve you say.....Indeed!! These HILLSIDE builds are asphalt shredders. Let me break it down for you. In the past 5 years, Hillside motorcycle and machine in NY has built be the fillowing builds:

HILLSIDE 96 inch twin cam stage 2head;
HILLSIDE 103 inch twin cam statge 3 head;
HILLSIDE 117 inch twin cam stage 3 head;
HILLSIDE 124 inch twin cam stage 3 head..........and now, the coup de gras, the piece de resistance, the icing on the cake..the bull in the china store......
HILLSIDE 131 twin cam custom head build-- 

EVeryone one of these builds were monsters....but the 117, 124 were off -the- chart tire shredders....and this 131.....well....we will soon find out!!!!

I have to ask most of you with these builds listed above that who ever the builders are or kits that you get for these size motors that you can't ride these bikes on long distant trips? If you can't these motors across country then let me ask how far can you ride them on a trip that is safe were they won't break down.

[build it]

Mark, why wouldn't these big inch builds be long distance friendly? I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from. S&S markets their 124 with a change in cams as a touring build, actually, they (S&S) say that the stock 640 is fine, but if you don't care about top end performance stick the 5er in there and be all set, no need to worry about the bump in ccp. Star racing markets their 126 as a performance orientated touring motor that is track friendly.

There are a number of other factors that make a build less touring friendly, like not knowing how to ride, or even poor assembly, or a poor tune. If those bases are covered, you should be just fine.

[partycrasher]

marc---perhaps you need to start your own thread to get other opinions.   ANd, Maybe you need to clarify what size build you are asking about. I think you are  missing the point. ....do i think a big inch motor can do the trip--absolutely--especially if set-up for that style of riding....consider cam choice. Would i personally do it on my own bike--no. Not for fear that it will break down....but because that is not the intent of the motor as i have had it designed. However, two years ago i drove from NH to LA with my 117 Hillside build...and it was a blast...no problems....can the motors do it--yes they can.   So--build it, ride it and enjoy it.

[mark mpdc]

Mark, why wouldn't these big inch builds be long distance friendly? I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from. S&S markets their 124 with a change in cams as a touring build, actually, they (S&S) say that the stock 640 is fine, but if you don't care about top end performance stick the 5er in there and be all set, no need to worry about the bump in ccp. Star racing markets their 126 as a performance orientated touring motor that is track friendly.

There are a number of other factors that make a build less touring friendly, like not knowing how to ride, or even poor assembly, or a poor tune. If those bases are covered, you should be just fine.

Listen i am not downing any kind of build here.All i am asking is shouldn't any of these big builds be versitile enough to were they can be bar hoppers and can ride across country if you choose to ride it there. I myself and i am just talking about me because if i get a g2 145ci next year and the builder tells me that the motor will not make it across country their is no way for me i would buy that motor and put in my bike.Now i like to ride hard just like the next guy and i also like to just cruise and later this year i am riding to california from the eastcoast so to me why can't a street-race motor do all these things that you ask of it?

[BONERACIN]

xzo-- Riding curve you say.....Indeed!! These HILLSIDE builds are asphalt shredders. Let me break it down for you. In the past 5 years, Hillside motorcycle and machine in NY has built be the fillowing builds:

HILLSIDE 96 inch twin cam stage 2head;
HILLSIDE 103 inch twin cam statge 3 head;
HILLSIDE 117 inch twin cam stage 3 head;
HILLSIDE 124 inch twin cam stage 3 head..........and now, the coup de gras, the piece de resistance, the icing on the cake..the bull in the china store......
HILLSIDE 131 twin cam custom head build-- 

EVeryone one of these builds were monsters....but the 117, 124 were off -the- chart tire shredders....and this 131.....well....we will soon find out!!!!

This doesn't even take into consideration the heads that Scott has done  for other combos.  I know of a 106 with a set of his stage3 heads that isn't no slouch!!!!!!

[xzo124]

xzo-- Riding curve you say.....Indeed!! These HILLSIDE builds are asphalt shredders. Let me break it down for you. In the past 5 years, Hillside motorcycle and machine in NY has built be the fillowing builds:

HILLSIDE 96 inch twin cam stage 2head;
HILLSIDE 103 inch twin cam statge 3 head;
HILLSIDE 117 inch twin cam stage 3 head;
HILLSIDE 124 inch twin cam stage 3 head..........and now, the coup de gras, the piece de resistance, the icing on the cake..the bull in the china store......
HILLSIDE 131 twin cam custom head build-- 

EVeryone one of these builds were monsters....but the 117, 124 were off -the- chart tire shredders....and this 131.....well....we will soon find out!!!!

It'll be a peice of work for sure , cant wait to see results .Have fun....xzo

[mark mpdc]

I ask shouldn't any 131 no matter what the set up of the motor that if you ride it on the street that it should make it across country if you wanted to ride it there? If a builder tells you up front in no matter what size motor he is building you that this motor can't or won't make it across country or that he wouldn't trust it then why bother getting that motor put in your bike?I am not pointing the finger at any one person this is just a general question/opinion based upon motors getting bigger and bigger and running on the street.

[partycrasher]

mark--please go start your own thread.......Thank you

[partycrasher]

joe at joescyclerepair just called and said he has a good custom map started...has finished up with the idle and low speed driving phases and is slowly making his way up the powerband.............

[xzo124]

mark--please go start your own thread.......Thank you

..zxo

[mark mpdc]

ok.Sorry

[partycrasher]

...on the dyno---hope to have some numbers-SAE--by end of the day...

[partycrasher]

...tuning is not done yet

[xzo124]

...tuning is not done yet but here are some numbers:

ACTUAL 150HP 155 TQ
SAE   145 HP 150 TQ
STD 146 HP 155 TQ

[-JC-1]

...tuning is not done yet but here are some numbers:

ACTUAL 150HP 155 TQ
SAE   145 HP 150 TQ
STD 146 HP 155 TQ

that'll do!



congrats to all !

[03deuce]

...tuning is not done yet but here are some numbers:

ACTUAL 150HP 155 TQ
SAE   145 HP 150 TQ
STD 146 HP 155 TQ

That should getter done!     

[aharp]

I think those are great numbers especially with a fbw throttle body

[partycrasher]

Thanks guys....i  cant wait to get it back from the tuner....and for all this damn snow to melt. Should have final dynom numbers by end of the day!!

[BONERACIN]

Does this have flat top piston?

[mark mpdc]

Also does it matter when dyno tuning if its summer or winter? Congrats on the numbers by the way.

[xzo124]

Preliminary dyno sheet

Lookin Good !!!

[xzo124]

What all was new in this upgrade ??...zxo

[partycrasher]

Hillside custom cylinder head modifications, Horse power inc 62mm TB, 662-2 cams, new wiseco specialty pistons .....retune.

stock jims motor was about 132TQ and 118 HP....so we picked up a ton of power especially considering it's still a 131 cubic inches.

[xzo124]

Hillside custom cylinder head modifications, Horse power inc 62mm TB, 662-2 cams, new wiseco specialty pistons .....retune.

stock jims motor was about 132TQ and 118 HP....so we picked up a ton of power especially considering it's still a 131 cubic inches.

Congrats , Just take it easy , it may have a couple more in it , after a few miles .....xzo

[Admiral Akbar]

preliminary dyno results

Does that guy ever sleep?

Max

[1FSTRK]

I wouldn't want to pay his heat and electric bill it was 10 degress here in NY at 1 in the morning.

[partycrasher]

i think his time stamp is wrong.....

[FXDRYDR]

WOW!!!  That is a great-looking curve.  A monster!

[partycrasher]

Just talked to joe who said he is only 75% done on the tune and has a good bit more to go....he is expecting the numbers to still go up when he gets to the top end of the curve for tuning.....I was more than happy with where it was.....looks like there is more to come!!!

[Hillside Motorcycle]

A little birdie told me that 131"er, rolled 155/160, SAE, just before COB today.
Actual was more, but his calculated, correction factor isn't 1.20 plus.
Scott

[dirtydon]

WOW...hold on tight.. ? at cruising speed what do you est. the fuel milage the be ..if any??? congrate on that build

[xzo124]

Have you already converted over to chain. If not  YOU WILL . I'm guessing it will be in the 160+range on the torque side....xzo

I was pretty close. ....xzo

[boatnut]

Hey Partycrasher, nice motor...  I am in the middle of having almost exactly the same thing built. My Jims 131 went bad at 7,000 miles. Dean at Vancouver Island Performance here on Vancouver Island has my motor spread from coast to coast lol...(Darkhorse to Baisley). 
Hope you are ok with a few questions....
Going to be using the same cams from T-Man (with Woods lifters), are the cams noisy??
Did you use the custom 20 degree dome pistons from T-man?
If not, what pistons?
What comp releases did you use? Single or double?
Did you do this just because your crazed like I am, or did your motor do not happy things as well?
Don't want to hi jack thread so PM me if want to bs about Jims.... 
Clive

[mark mpdc]

Thats alot of horsepower and torque riding around in the neighborhood.

[partycrasher]

marc mpdc--I dont know you...but this is the second time i have asked you to stay out of my thread. Please find another playground to play in...perhaps the honda forum. Your 1 week membership on this forum does not impress. i would appreciate it if you would not post on my thread again. Thank you

[76shuvlinoff]

Thats alot of horsepower and torque riding around in the neighborhood.

mark mpdc, you've got a couple threads going with some knowledgeable people trying to give you good advice and the facts of life on big builds.  Your comments on this thread have deteriorated to what appears to be simple "Potty mouth" stirring and it's time to back off.

Thank you.

[partycrasher]

 that's the power of the HILLSIDE HAMMER head work taking hold.......

[xzo124]

Update from the tuner.....apparently the rear tire had to be replaced midd-dyno tune....he said it concaved and twisted and bent like hell....i guess that's the power of the HILLSIDE HAMMER head work taking hold.......

"COMIN IN FOR A PIT STOP BOYS"

[HV]

Mark.. read this and learn ... Myself and others on here routinely build large displacement bikes that have no issues riding 4000 6000 miles on a trip.... I have a number of 103s ...110s...120s that run from my location to Daytona and back every summer a round trip of 6000 miles + some have done this at high speeds year after year .. Big engines run on the highway with ease due to high torque much easier then most stock engines... enough said... go play someplace else

[partycrasher]

Hey Partycrasher, nice motor...  I am in the middle of having almost exactly the same thing built. My Jims 131 went bad at 7,000 miles. Dean at Vancouver Island Performance here on Vancouver Island has my motor spread from coast to coast lol...(Darkhorse to Baisley). 
Hope you are ok with a few questions....
Going to be using the same cams from T-Man (with Woods lifters), are the cams noisy??
Did you use the custom 20 degree dome pistons from T-man?
If not, what pistons?
What comp releases did you use? Single or double?
Did you do this just because your crazed like I am, or did your motor do not happy things as well?
Don't want to hi jack thread so PM me if want to bs about Jims.... 
Clive

boatnut--those are 6 degree dome pistons i am using. I am running the automatic compression releases in the 131. The cams are not noisy. I am using the harley b lifters in mine. My motor was running perfectly well....it just was time to step it up in power...Hope you are happy with yor build. Feel free to call scott at Hillside--he has all my build details.

oh--what went bad on your 131?

[build it]

very nice curves PartyCrasher, congratulations. I can't wait to see the final numbers.

[TXChop]

Kick ass!

[se]

real nice
i still think a 54 cam at 10.7 compression will yeild better results tho     

[Hillside Motorcycle]

real nice
i still think a 54 cam at 10.7 compression will yeild better results tho     

Scott

[partycrasher]

real nice
i still think a 54 cam at 10.7 compression will yeild better results tho     

George---Now that's funny!!
--You may remember from my vtwin days that i have a propensity to fire back when fired upon....but i'll tell ya...i have been biting my tongue with this guy for 2 days.....

[se]

me too
i figure the mods have him in their sites..
no need to go any further with itt
ya cant fix stupid

[boatnut]

Partycrasher, short version.... comp release, lifters, rings, valve seals, crank runout, con rod slop, oil pump. 7,000 serviced to hell miles and completely done.
Are your pistons the ones that T-man has Wiseco make? Thought those were 20 degree, maybe I'm wrong...
When I started to read about your build I had just made the final decisions with my builder and the parts had literally been shipped out to Darkhorse/Baisley that day!  Probably not too many of us with this combo. Enjoy that ride, I can barely sleep myself.

[x52gnr]

 What brand tire do ya use, I think I need to buy stock....

[RKC100]

George, great comeback!! LMAO!! Partycrasher, hang on to that beast. Very nice build. Enjoy!!

[partycrasher]

can't wait for joe to finish up the tune...should be tuesday morning. Then, the long wait for this NH winter to end...

[les]

Maybe staying with the stock tires is a good thing.  Otherwise, you'll be tearing long deep ruts in the pavement.  You gotta think of the rest of us who'll be far behind you...trying to catch up.   

[partycrasher]

les--that's funny. Fact of the matter is....i am trying to keep up with a buddy of mine pushing 180 horse--supercharged. My little naturally aspirated build is gonna give him a run for his money.....and hopefully make him 

[les]

That will be a very interesting comparison.  Please post results...but be very careful!!!

[76shuvlinoff]

I mean this in the most respectful and lite hearted way...

Isn't penis envy great???  I know it has cost me a lot of money.

Honestly, the build sounds fantastic. If you get a clutch that holds it and rubber that hooks up you're gonna break some "Potty mouth".

[xzo124]

I mean this in the most respectful and lite hearted way...

Isn't penis envy great???  I know it has cost me a lot of money.

Honestly, the build sounds fantastic. If you get a clutch that holds it and rubber that hooks up you're gonna break some "Potty mouth".

Let the fun begin.....xzo

[partycrasher]

I should have final dyno sheets on wednesday when i get the bike....I'll post SAE, STD and Actual. Joe says the clutch is doing well....but the rear tire keps spinning on the drum ....

I am really, really looking forward to riding this bike. Scott and craig at Hillside really pulled out all the stops and they are to be commended. And I am certain that joe at joescyclerepair put a great tune on it..he always does.

Big boys and their toys....amen to that brother!!! Putting big power in a bagger is great...cause it rides like a cadillac and pulls like a freight train.  Thanks for all the well wishes fellas!!

[les]

partycrasher, ever give thoughts to taking the beast to the track and seeing what ET you can capture in the quarter mile?  It might be an interesting experiment to see how the power and traction all come together in what's achievable down a quarter mile run.

[HD/Wrench]

The builds sounds great. SHould be a blast to ride.. I miss my old 124 bike.  Wait till you get to roast the tire in 3rd gear on a roll....

[partycrasher]

les--i can tell you from first hand experience that hard launches on a big "built" bagger  can reek havoc. My bike is really not set up for it....would need to do a chain conversion and some other mods to keep it together and to do it right.  For now--i plan to just enjoy riding it on the street to tour the beautiful new england country side.....occasionally at warp speed. It's kind of like a rocket.... point and shoot. Even before the mods, it was amazing how fast you could go from casual cruising to pinning the needle on the speedo. That doesn't mean i wont be putting foot to azz with my sleeper build....

Looking forward to surprising some of my riding buddies this spring. 

[strokerjlk]

never mind just thinking out loud
looks like a hand full for sure...nice job guys

[Hillside Motorcycle]

It ought to be a good one.
Scott

[Admiral Akbar]

You need a better picture so that you can laminate a smaller version and stuff it your wallet.. 

Pretty impressive..

Max

[partycrasher]

Max. Truth be told...i said to scott and joe that i didn't care what they finall numers were.....i just wanted a really strong running bike......so no-wallet-laminated versioni for me.

[pwmorris]

 

.....i just wanted a really strong running bike......so no-wallet-laminated versioni for me.

Mission accomplished!

[Hillside Motorcycle]

Here is the final Actual pull from the tuner. Still waiting on more sheets. 156/163 Actual

Joe the tuner at www.joescyclerepair.com said this 131 Hillside build is the highest naturally aspirated horse power and torque twin cam he has ever seen.

The reason that it looks like it does off the bottom is there was a traction issue, as were told.
Scott

[76shuvlinoff]

Here is the final Actual pull from the tuner. Still waiting on more sheets. 156/163 Actual

Joe the tuner at www.joescyclerepair.com said this 131 Hillside build is the highest naturally aspirated horse power and torque twin cam he has ever seen.

well that just pisses me off   

[xzo124]

The reason that it looks like it does off the bottom is there was a traction issue, as were told.
Scott    :up:Probably will have same problem on the pavement.. just hope it will go straight..GOOD STUFF !!!...xzo

[Admiral Akbar]

Max. Truth be told...i said to scott and joe that i didn't care what they finall numers were.....i just wanted a really strong running bike......so no-wallet-laminated versioni for me.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how long the tires last.. Good things about the 2010 is that the rear is fat.. Power wheelies?? If you get around to it get a pic..    Max

[biggzed]

Hey Max.... weren't you looking for a bagger that could pull the front up in second gear a while ago? I think you have a candidate here.

Zach

[Admiral Akbar]

Hey Max.... weren't you looking for a bagger that could pull the front up in second gear a while ago? I think you have a candidate here.

Zach

Yep,,

Waiting fer pics..     Max

[partycrasher]

MAx:  PM me what your looking to spend...... 

[partycrasher]

hOPING TO GET THE BIKE TOMRROW....ALL THIS SNOW AND ICE IS SLOWING THINGS DOWN A BIT...

[Black Diamond]

WOW! Great build!

JW

[sAs]

AWESOME Build! I have a 107 build by Hillside at Joes as we speak. I'll be out there Saturday to pick it up so looks like our paths wont cross there... Im still trying to figure out how your gonna stay on that thing! CONGRATS TO ALL INVOLVED! 

[TripleT]

Your 131 is a beast, enjoy the power which should be awesome. Hillside is working on my Night Train 124 currently,  head work to incorporate the new HP ink 62. After that, Mr. Joe will perform his magic, I was turning out 148/154 all summer and had a blast. I will post the results when my NT is unleashed, I hope to be part of that 150 plus club.

[bigpete1]

congrats to everyone involved ,them palmer bros got it going on and joe is very good at his job ,i might have to get me one of 131s and take it apartand make it run like partycrasher's  thanks pete

[partycrasher]

Triple T....so your is the 124 i keep hearing about.

[TripleT]

Partycrasher, you would be right about the guy you heard about, thats me. Perhaps we will meet some time at Mr. Joes, I frequent his place often. Did you pick your bike up yet?   

[partycrasher]

holy mother of twin cam deamons....this things sounds wicked...like a big block chevy on steroids....can't wiat to grip it -n- rip it!!!!

[speed limit]

partyrasher what a awsome build. i really dont think dunlops will be up to the task the only tire that i get decent traction out of is the avon am 23 my bike only makes 150 ft lbs. and they are gettin hard to find i only get 2500 mles or so out of them but they do hook. good luck with that belt also

[partycrasher]

thanks speed limit....thats good info.

[speed limit]

got a seceret source for am 23s pm me if interested

[partycrasher]

speed--the 2010 flhx rear is a 180/65-16 i think. Do they make the avon in that size???

[HogBag]

Avon race am23 200/60/16 is the closest. Tyre its rated at 150 mph

http://www.thefind.com/sports/browse-avon-am23-tire#page=1

Avon av72 180/65/16 rated 130 mph

[Hillside Motorcycle]

Those 23's are sticky, but like speedlimit said, wear out very quickly.
scott

[partycrasher]

don't think i's gonna fit unless i do a chain conversion. The 2010 is running the larger 180 tire and accordingly, the smaller belt. Don't think the 200 series will clear.....if anyone knows for certain please le tm know.

[1FSTRK]

I should have final dyno sheets on wednesday when i get the bike....I'll post SAE, STD and Actual. Joe says the clutch is doing well....but the rear tire keps spinning on the drum ...

Will you be posting these soon? Will you post the motor specs as a list?
It is easier to read the way things are posted in the dyno section than to go through the six pages here looking for some of the specs.
Thanks

[HogBag]

Bridgestone exedra 180/70/16 G851 W or Z  rating 168 MPH.
All other 180/16 cruiser tyres rate H  130 MPH.   

http://www.jpcycles.com/product/ZZ26164

[partycrasher]

good tire info...thanks

[Admiral Akbar]

I run the Bridgestone exedra 180/60/18 G851 on the 116 dyna and 113 bobber.. they seem to work well enough to keep using them.  I can get a good launch on a cold tire.. Max

[pwmorris]

speed--the 2010 flhx rear is a 180/65-16 i think. Do they make the avon in that size???

If you really want that big boy to grab, get rid of the 16"rear tire and belt-17" has lots more options for your bar hopper if you really want to get sticky. Keep in mind that energy has to go somewhere.
Are you sure you want to hookup and have the front end come up and then possibly slam down the heavy front end of that land yacht on a regular basis-possibly damaging parts? I say let the rear tire spin with a good quality street tire and keep the drivetrain and chassis safe.
No free lunch...

[partycrasher]

pwmorris- you are reading my mind! Let'in the rear end spin helps things stay together.....besides, there is a limit to how hard you can launch with a rear belt drive, iso drive and a stock chassis.

[HogBag]

I'm not posting these tyres for hook up reasons more for the speed rating. That bike would fly past the 130 mph H rating. If there coming apart on the dyno they will come apart on the road at warp speed.

[76shuvlinoff]

sounds like you have tires covered... what about 168 mph brakes?

just askin...

[HogBag]

brakes I supose the OP could change wheels to 17 and 18 with low profile tyres to drop some unsprung weight from the bike. Then he could fit larger lighter rotors with gold line 4 spot  brembo calipers with the remote ducati style master cylinder.?  I was just trying to help with some tyre choices instead of the H rated touring tyres. My 07 flht  bike does 220 kph in 4th gear. Maybe the OP bike will only go WOT on the dyno in 4th and  5th gear but one H rated  dunlop tyre could not handle it.     

[partycrasher]

WOT is not reserved solely for the dyno.    As to the rotors--i am still investigating what upgraded rotors will work with the brembo oem calipers  and pads. Detonators perhaps....but waiting to hear back from dealer on options.. Suggestions welcomed

[JohnCA58]

This set up works out great,  got a 180-55-18 and the 08 OEM brembo with larger rotor,  also the caliper is a bolt on to the bracket.  makes it easier to pull wheel off and on.

this is a 2000 RKC with 09 rear fender.   PBI front sprocket with .500 offset and 530 chain and .625 spacer on rear sprocket.

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[who?me?]

I realize this is my first post on this forum, but finally had to comment on partycrash motor. I have been reading through this whole thread totally amazed at what can be done. I have only owned my road king a few months. This is like the first time I found one of my dad's Playboy mags as a kid.

Life will never be the same.

[JohnCA58]

Look out who?me?  you have pretty much bought a perpetual money whore.  it will never stop.

[partycrasher]

who me....welcome aboard

[76shuvlinoff]

This is like the first time I found one of my dad's Playboy mags....

...shortly after that I started lifting his Drewrys and Winstons.  It's pretty much been hell to pay ever since.

[rigidthumper]

There's worse habits to have...

[who?me?]

who me....welcome aboard

Thank you. Your build is a motorhead's dream. I would pay for a ticket to attend the dyno tune of  your bike. Congradulations.

[partycrasher]

who?me?--don't worry brother....now that your hooked--it's a life long infliction.

[ndmp40]

This set up works out great,  got a 180-55-18 and the 08 OEM brembo with larger rotor,  also the caliper is a bolt on to the bracket.  makes it easier to pull wheel off and on.

this is a 2000 RKC with 09 rear fender.   PBI front sprocket with .500 offset and 530 chain and .625 spacer on rear sprocket.

Can you help us out with some more info?
1. what size wheel did you use?
2. what did you need to do to get the 09 fender to fit?  major surgery or just minor work?
3. can you provide part numbers for the sprocket?

Thanks in adavance.  Lots of us would be interested in putting a 180-18 on our pre-09 baggers with a chain.  I have a 160-16 on there now, using the stock belt and pullies, and its a very tight fit. 

[JohnCA58]

So we dont take over this topic,  I will start another topic with the info   

Actually I have a topic called  My Winter Project already started,  I have some info in there,  give me a pm

[HD/Wrench]

John , Take a look at the HHI calipers. Not overly priced and work very well.

[partycrasher]

2010 has brembo caliper and pads....i think the upgrade should focus on rotors  or better pads....but thank you for the suggestion. Gonna call brembo and see what they suggest

[HD/Wrench]

 Jay brake ,  offers a 6 pistons differential bore. Unless you change the size of the rotor not a whole lot to be gain. Leverage is still the same. Caliper power is going to make the difference. They are located in New york , maybe a road trip is in order, who knows maybe you can test a product... 

Either way we have installed the HHI and they stop better than the stock brembos, with stock rotors.  Now go to a larger rotor and a 6 piston and it will really stop.. 

[Admiral Akbar]

Don't need to change the calipers themselves.. Go to a 5/8 bore master and add better pad / floating rotors.. SS lines..

Max

[partycrasher]

yoydine says pads is the way to go....so i have contacted vesrah suzuki to see what they may have....will keep ya'll in the loop

[ndmp40]

So we dont take over this topic,  I will start another topic with the info   

Actually I have a topic called  My Winter Project already started,  I have some info in there,  give me a pm

Thanks i will send you a pm.
Neil

[Hillside Motorcycle]

Mr. Partycrasher,
A little birdie told me you went on a little ride with some other folks??
Lot of sand in the intersections/corners here.
We need more rain to clear the salt off as well.
Scott

[partycrasher]

Those little birdies do chirp a lot.....This weekend i took the newly refreshed 131 out for a little spin.....lets just say--it's a MONSTER!!. The bike pulls so hard and so fast to redline that there is no time to think....twist -shift--twist-shift-twist-shift.....untill the needle is burried and you run out-of-road....lets just say that this is a HOMERUN!!!!!!

[rredneckn2]

Nice job Hillside.Sounds like it could use a parachute

[JohnCA58]

Sound like you have a monster there  , Can't wait to work with Scott on my next project.  On the brakes,  I finally went with the total Brembo set up, package included everything.   got it from Calif Phil on here,  I was going to go with JayBrake six piston calipers, but could not find a rotor set up that work for me in 13 in.   Brembo set up comes with 12.6    No one could match his price on the set up.   

[TripleT]

Partycrasher, I heard about your ride,  That missile rocks. I just posted my results.

[partycrasher]

Triplte T......i saw your sheets man, they look awesome. Heard that you absolutely love the bike--congratulations to all involved.

[TripleT]

Wish I was there to witness the destruction, something to be said about a normal asperated 131 pumping out that kind of power. I can only imagine what that tq feels like, lets see if we can get together this summer and do a little riding. Becareful on that rocket, I kinda know what your feeling, lol.

[madjack]

partycrasher, One of my winter projects was a change in my shifter, you might be a bennifactor of.  On my Baker DD6, I put a N123 shifter drum, for my shifter linkage I put a newway shifter on. What this gave me is 2 pedals side by side. Inside one is for down shifts, with neutral being the last down shift. All I can say is its incredible to have neutral as the last shift. But the best part is the outside pedal is 1 thru 6, and when I started to really test it ,what I found was at WOT by just the weight of my foot on the pedal, without the clutch lever even touched, at the instant the bike hit the rev limiter, it shifts so fast you would think its a auto, This could end up being one of the best upgrades I've done to my little mouse 103.  Gene

[JohnCA58]

Madjack,   I would like to see pictures of that set-up   

[madjack]

 Sure www.newwayshifter.com ,  top notch quality .

[TripleT]

Thats an impressive set up, I like 

[partycrasher]

if i changed it would be to an air shifter....nothing else.

[TripleT]

Jon, I think the only thing you need to change would be your pants after driving that beast 

[madjack]

yea, the air shifter, if I built just for the track thats for sure the way I'd go too. For the street, not so much.

[pwmorris]

Partycrasher,
you could go with an electric shifter from Pingle or Dale Walker-they are alot of fun! Add a reverse gearing set up from Baker and look out!
BTW-was wondering about the difference between your build and Triple T's 124"-is he running a little more compression than you to pull the bigger numbers? Different Heads? Either way, both sure look like a thrill ride!

[partycrasher]

He is running more compression, different exhaust, cams, among other such factors....perhaps scott could answer this question better. I see Triple T  is now in the middle of the "joe dyno" wars, as i call them. Like charlie sheen....it makes for good entertainment.

[Admiral Akbar]

Like charlie sheen....it makes for good entertainment.

Sorry,  Sheen is a bunch better..

[TripleT]

 

[NCTURBOS]

Sure www.newwayshifter.com ,  top notch quality .

I might have to get one of those when I put the boards back on my bike!!


K.

[madjack]

  K, I first was useing the shifter with a normal shift drum. no real issues but finding neutral was a little awkward, seemed to want to go past the neutral detent, thats when I dropped the n123 drum in. I'll never go back, could just be somehting that I like, an another wouldn't, don't have any knowledge of others for feedback.

[Hillside Motorcycle]

Partycrasher,
Have you had a chance to roll around anymore??
Scott

[partycrasher]

....waiting on the sunshine.

[mayor]

what's the weather doing for you fellows.  It dropped 20 degree's last Friday going into Saturday, and hasn't warmed up since.  Didn't even make it to 40 today.    

[TripleT]

waiting on the warm weather also, cold as $hit at night. 

[Admiral Akbar]

what's the weather doing for you fellows.  It dropped 20 degree's last Friday going into Saturday, and hasn't warmed up since.  Didn't even make it to 40 today.   

Sounds like a good time for Joe to do some runs.. Max

[partycrasher]

 

weather here is cold....maybe a high of 30 today.

[moose]

partycrasher

what intake manifold did you use on the 131

[partycrasher]

se 58 mm TB set up...modified by hp inc to 62

[Hillside Motorcycle]

Yes, it was pulled out to 62mm, with HPI's proprietary "Y" manifold,(read, OE was cut off, and probably re-cycled into something useful) with a 1.800" intake port diameter.
Scott

[TXChop]

Thats going on the 131? DAM!

[HD/Wrench]

what pulley did you get with it?? I have a few here that we have been using for testing.  I would think you are running low boost unless you are taking it back apart and dropping the compression.  Injector wise we are running a 110 lb a hr , 12.5 gps Without doing the math, at injectors this large you stop using the GPS and move to lb per hr.. just for example my stroker 413 LS engine has 65 lb injectors in it..  All stock set up on the pro or custom intercooler??

You will like that hit.. that is a fact.

[partycrasher]

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[Hillside Motorcycle]

UPS arrived..........

That 131"er certainly doesn't NEED that, as the sheer power of that bike, has been more than potently displayed, in your immediate neighborhood.
The tower now has you cleared for take-off.............
Scott

[rob71458]

Thats going on the 131? DAM!

Hey Dan, Maybe we can get a discount on a nitrous kit.   

[Hillside Motorcycle]

Rob,
You could fit at least 3 bottles in each saddle bag.............
Scott

[aharp]

At this point one could turbo a Hayabusa

[moose]

heres a link to a turbo busa wheelie at 140-mph

http://www.uponone.com/sortvideos-speed-viewed.php

[partycrasher]

The procharger is for my stock 96 inch bike

[rob71458]

Oh Ok, Now I get it. I was like  , he wants more power. 

[Hillside Motorcycle]

At this point one could turbo a Hayabusa

Have witnessed the results of those.........wild power!!!!!
Scott

[rigidthumper]

Oh Ok, Now I get it. I was like  , he wants more power. 

I believe you could put a 500 HP motor in his frame, and in a week, he'd be calling Scott, askin for more
I get that!

[Admiral Akbar]

The 131 is so strong and reliable right

Wow, Got 20K on it already?

Max

[moose]

Yes, it was pulled out to 62mm, with HPI's proprietary "Y" manifold,(read, OE was cut off, and probably re-cycled into something useful) with a 1.800" intake port diameter.
Scott

were the heads opened up to the 1.800 were they the se heads with the 1.750 opening ? if you did not open the head does it work ok with the difference?

just trying to get my intake to fit for a mikuni 48 mm the heads are 1.750 and the manifolds are 1.800 trying to find the right manifold

[Tbones]

The procharger is for my stock 96 inch bike......and not the 131 (although 200 HP would be fun). The 131 is so strong and reliable right now that there is no good reason to frig with it. I am yet to ride a naturally aspirated motor that is as fun as mine....and, even my friend with a procharged bike has a hell of a time keeping up with me....although he does start to wiggle past me over 120mph. Frankly--the sheer brute force of the 131 is just amazing....and actually very pleasant and easy to ride at the same time.

The procharger is gonna go on my road glide.....just to put a litttle oomph to it....and frankly--i have been interested in going supercharged for some time. Looks like the gang over at www.joescyclerepair.com is gonna have their hands full tuning this thing.....ordered a boss fat cat with the performance baffle to let it breath, wood 555 cams and some new injectors to start. Expecting about 140hp and 120 TQ......will know in the next few weeks.

You'll like the Pro-charger...  Put one on my 07 FLHTCI with a JIMS 113 ci stroker kit...  She motates down the road rather well ...  Yeah that's right Stroker, the motor is still running just fine ...

[partycrasher]

one has nothing to do with the other..

[BONERACIN]

Why are you selling? Didn't you just get it together.

[Tbones]

one has nothing to do with the other..

Wasn't implying that it was, just said you'll like the blower...  Forget I said anything, what do I know?  Nut'en honey...