Floppy Kick Stand Cure

[djl]

Stand doesn't lock when extended and when collapsed, it dangles and does not hold tight against the frame.  I have replaced the spring but no change. Any suggestions?

EDIT: Anyone using the "Kicker" by No Toil?
EDIT: Never mind, looks like the Kicker is only available for '09 and up.

[jerseyhardtail]

There's a few sizes for the spring. To keep stand up while riding I think jp has a rubber clip you clamp to Frame that will hold stand in place

[fbn ent]

When you replaced the spring did you follow the procedure in the Service Manual? It'll stretch if not...

[djl]

When you replaced the spring did you follow the procedure in the Service Manual? It'll stretch if not...

Well, now that you mention it.............................

[Panzer]

Time to get another spring, hey.

[djl]

Time to get another spring, hey.

Yup.  Easy fix if that is the problem.

[60wt]

 Had same problem, after 3 harley springs, (HD and after market) went to ace hardware, bought a standard looking spring, approx 1/2'' by 3''...... works perfect cost under $3.00....

[chaos901]

Also, I have had a side stand get bent just a little before (really could not see it) but it would stretch the spring out when the bike was parked.  Went thru several springs (changing the correct way) before I figured what the real issue was.

[remington007]

The tab on the side stand could be bent, not allowing full tension on the spring. 

[Templar2]

Not sure what year, but mine (2007 FLSTC) has the one piece stand and bracket, if the bushings wear to much (2 of them) then the stand will flop a bit no matter what spring you use.  I just rebuilt the whole thing with all new components and now it is just like new and holds tight against the primary.

[djl]

Not sure what year, but mine (2007 FLSTC) has the one piece stand and bracket, if the bushings wear to much (2 of them) then the stand will flop a bit no matter what spring you use.  I just rebuilt the whole thing with all new components and now it is just like new and holds tight against the primary.

2002 FLHT

[moscooter]

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-kvbAZtcIQ

[Pete_Vit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-kvbAZtcIQ

Nice Video - thanks for the link

[Admiral Akbar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-kvbAZtcIQ

Only made about 3-5 mistakes.. Doubt the spring last that long after the work..

[HD95]

X2 on following the service manual,I have an 03 EGC,changed mine and it works as it should.

[Pete_Vit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-kvbAZtcIQ

Only made about 3-5 mistakes.. Doubt the spring last that long after the work..

ah man    and I was just gonna spend the 7 bucks to subscribe.... I know my wife's 93 Sporty's setup is not like that and I've been fighting the floppy kick stand for a while now,  Max can you elaborate for me (those that don't know any better) thanks
I have the SM, and followed it and still end up with a floppy kick stand

[rigidthumper]

If he gets paid to do those videos, I should be a millionaire!

[Admiral Akbar]

1. the guy used antisieze.. Shoulda used grease.. These bikes get hot but the side-stand not so much..

2. He hosed off the area but should have lubed the loops where the spring runs through.  Biggest issue for spring failure is where on the hooks and loops at the ends. Run dry and they rust and wear. Hooks eventually brake off and the holes wear out.. I run a drain under the filter to the side stand when chaining oil and some typically dribbles on pivot and spring. Only wipe the excess off with a rag..

3 -4 he hooked the each end of the spring wrong.


Look at it before he screwed it up..

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Look at it after..

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The spring has a curve in it on the left side (towards the front) ..Not good.  Hard to tell what is loading the spring to bend it like that it will probably fatigue and break.

The spring on the right is hooked backwards..  May not seem important but something hitting that spring like a rock can unhook it.. I've seen it happen.

[Admiral Akbar]

Whats hilarious is the guy is serious about putting things back the way they were and he missed the obvious..

[Pete_Vit]

Whats hilarious is the guy is serious about putting things back the way they were and he missed the obvious..

Nice catch Max -  I need to pay more attention to detail, I was wondering why aniseize but ASSumed he was an expert. another reason why I love this place.
again thanks Max
 

[rigidthumper]

"ASSumed he was an expert. "

Ex- something that used to be.


Spurt- a drip under pressure.

[Pete_Vit]

"ASSumed he was an expert. "

Ex- something that used to be.


Spurt- a drip under pressure.

[Bike31]

Local HD shop uses anti-seize vs grease on the side stand and shifter cross shaft. I tried it once but on later bikes used Moly 60 paste. Ever try to get moly off a surface or your hands? Most grease will eventually weep oil and dry the thickener. The only stuff that lasts for me in weather exposed apps is aircraft grade Shell 22 or Exxon-Mobile SCH-100 grease.

[Tsani]

Have no issue with the anti-seize. He also didn't clean out the threaded hole. I think the spring bent because of the way he put the hooks in.

[gryphon]

Yeah, he hooked the spring over the top on the kickstand loop.

[PoorUB]

It kills me how someone can take a three minute job and turn it into a ten minute production, and still screw it up!

Where do I go to get my ten minutes back?

[calif phil]

I installed a no toil kit on a 2014 FLHX today.   It works really well. 

[moscooter]

Yeah, he hooked the spring over the top on the kickstand loop.

  Yup,  He did not re-attach both ends of the spring wrong,  he made the mistake of going in the front side of the kickstand hole versus the correct backside where it should have been.  Other than that mistake,  ya gotta note the background big (Advertisement) for Locktite products..............thus why he was promoting all the various products they have in this video.

[truck]

That guy reminds me of Barney Fife.

[fbn ent]

Good catch Max!! 

"It's critical you read your Service Manual...."

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[sharkoilfield]

While on the topic of kick stands, the stand on the wife's Low Rider was loose and the bike leaned over too far for her. Installed an oillite bushing in the swivel block the stand goes into under the engine and added a fraction of an inch of weld on top of the stand tab that engages the frame lugs when it's out. Stand works slick and smooth and bike sits up just enough to make raising it off the stand easier. 

[Admiral Akbar]

Stand doesn't lock when extended and when collapsed, it dangles and does not hold tight against the frame.  I have replaced the spring but no change. Any suggestions?

EDIT: Anyone using the "Kicker" by No Toil?
EDIT: Never mind, looks like the Kicker is only available for '09 and up.

That's cuz it ain't needed on a pre-09.. 

[calif phil]

Your right Max   The earlier Jiffy stands were way better than the 2009 and up.  With my short legs it takes me two tries to get the Jiffystand extended.   

[Templar2]

Not sure what year, but mine (2007 FLSTC) has the one piece stand and bracket, if the bushings wear to much (2 of them) then the stand will flop a bit no matter what spring you use.  I just rebuilt the whole thing with all new components and now it is just like new and holds tight against the primary.

2002 FLHT

Lucky you, easy replacement, even on the side of a road!!

[djl]

Decided to go ahead and address the floppy jiffy stand issue while putting things back together after replacing a needle bearing in the MDG.  Check the photo; obviously bent but I am not sure about what the original position should be but I think it should go out from the stand leg at about 90*?  Afraid it will snap off when I try to bend it back.  IIRC, that leg is an expensive part; $150 or thereabouts, so obviously I would like to avoid buying a new one.

EDIT: Figured if the tab broke I would be buying a new one anyway, so I bent it back to where I thought it should be (see second photo), put it back together and it works like it should; locks when out and the rubber bumper is tight against the frame.  Success and it took all of 10 minutes.

[BUBBIE]

Borrowing your Thread djl as you have it completed... ....Tks....

Haven't got it in front of me, just telling... JFYI:

On the 09 Touring models (FLHR King in particular) there were a few that had a TOO much lean-over on the left side stand caused by a different bolt-on frame casting Kick-stand holder...
Not a recall BUT a Service Bulletin to HD shops said "IF" a owner complained during the two year warranty Just replace it... Giving numbers of the too far over casting and the More up-right casting.

Mine LEANS way over. Too good of an exercise, so I usually find a spot Level or UP never Down to park...  I have had times when I never looked at the spot, putting it into a Lean Way-Over and IT's tough to get it up

signed....BUBBIE

[04 SE Deuce]

My 2004 service manual says to lube with anti-seize,  even though it's not Max's favorite it works better for park'n em in the house.    -Rick

[BUBBIE]

Borrowing your Thread djl as you have it completed... ....Tks....

Haven't got it in front of me, just telling... JFYI:

On the 09 Touring models (FLHR King in particular) there were a few that had a TOO much lean-over on the left side stand caused by a different bolt-on frame casting Kick-stand holder...
Not a recall BUT a Service Bulletin to HD shops said "IF" a owner complained during the two year warranty Just replace it... Giving numbers of the too far over casting and the More up-right casting.

Mine LEANS way over. Too good of an exercise, so I usually find a spot Level or UP never Down to park...  I have had times when I never looked at the spot, putting it into a Lean Way-Over and IT's tough to get it up

signed....BUBBIE

That Service Bulletin dated March 18, 2009... Number  M-1243... shows the proper Bracket  JFI.... Good only while your bike was under 2 yr warranty by HD...

ADDED: THANKS 14GuineaPig, for posting the Bulletin...

[14GuineaPig]

Here's M-1243

[jmorton10]

I learned my lesson years ago when a freak thing happened to me because of a weak spring.

I was riding a very low (2" understock fork tubes) rigid shovel with drag bars.  The kickstand had been flopping around for a very long time but I just never got around to replacing the spring.

I was coming home late one night & had to go around a very sharp bend in the road that I had ridden around hundreds of times.  As I leaned it around the corner, all of a sudden something happened that almost tore the bars out of my hands & almost broke one of my wrists.  The bike had slid/twisted sideways and I almost crashed.

I managed to keep it up but my right wrist was killing me.  I had NO IDEA what had happened at the time, but I was only one block from my house so I kept going & made it home.  The next morning, I went back to that same curve to see if I could figure out what happened.

It didn't take me too long to figure it out.  There was a round hole in the pavement about the size of a softball & the foot tab on the bouncing kickstand happened to catch right in that hole when I was halfway around the corner!!

That was years ago & I have always made sure my spring worked right from then on.........

~John

[Rags722]

Borrowing your Thread djl as you have it completed... ....Tks....

Haven't got it in front of me, just telling... JFYI:

On the 09 Touring models (FLHR King in particular) there were a few that had a TOO much lean-over on the left side stand caused by a different bolt-on frame casting Kick-stand holder...
Not a recall BUT a Service Bulletin to HD shops said "IF" a owner complained during the two year warranty Just replace it... Giving numbers of the too far over casting and the More up-right casting.

Mine LEANS way over. Too good of an exercise, so I usually find a spot Level or UP never Down to park...  I have had times when I never looked at the spot, putting it into a Lean Way-Over and IT's tough to get it up

signed....BUBBIE

That Service Bulletin dated March 18, 2009... Number  M-1243... shows the proper Bracket  JFI.... Good only while your bike was under 2 yr warranty by HD...

ADDED: THANKS 14GuineaPig, for posting the Bulletin...

Then again, if you find someone lowering their bike, they would probably be willing to swap even for a kick stand that let the bike lean over a bit more.