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If you like the hit down low of the 255, stick with it.  You can try other cams and chase your tail. Until you realize what you want, isn't going to happen with a bolt in. 

Quote from: hogdownunder on January 08, 2014, 03:11:10 PM
Hi,

I probably wind the throttle on early, say at 2,000 RPM. Cruise between 2,000 - 3,000 RPM.

You can use 6th gear at 55 mph. At that speed, RPM is around 2,300..

I don't mind the Cam coming into life where it is at the moment, that is early in the RPM range.

I guess, I was looking for similar low end performance but with increased TQ?

What do you think about the SE 204 "Nasty Cam" or the Andrews 48? How do these Cams compare to the SE 255?

You could take a look at the S&S 551 or 583 both real nice low end torque cams pulls from just off idle to 4500 on the 551's and 5000 rpms with the 583's in 5th gear

  Neither of those cams would be much improvement over a 255......going backwards really

Quote from: hogdownunder on January 08, 2014, 03:11:10 PM
Hi,

I probably wind the throttle on early, say at 2,000 RPM. Cruise between 2,000 - 3,000 RPM.

You can use 6th gear at 55 mph. At that speed, RPM is around 2,300..

I don't mind the Cam coming into life where it is at the moment, that is early in the RPM range.

I guess, I was looking for similar low end performance but with increased TQ?

What do you think about the SE 204 "Nasty Cam" or the Andrews 48? How do these Cams compare to the SE 255?

stick to your original plan for camshaft - mill the heads and use a .030 head gasket and find a good tuner

Hi Guys,

Thank you for all of your advice. I believe I have come to the following conclusions from all of the replies to my questions ..

It appears I have two options for what I am chasing ( good low end torque and an overall increase in performance over a Stock 110 Motor with SE 255 Cams and a Base tune from the HD Factory SERT downloadable file..

1. Leave the SE 255 Cam in the Motor and just obtain a good tune from a competent Tuner.
2. Install either the Genesis 577 or Kuryakyn TC 24 D Cams, shave the Heads by .030", use a
    Cometic .030 Head Gasket, and obtain a good tune from a competent tuner.
3. Do I need to install a 58 mm TB for this fit? Maybe HPI, S & S or S/E? What about changing
    the Injectors as well, or is it a wast of money with this build?

What do you think ?


Either way, if I do 1. , or 2., the Motor will run cooler. Is this correct?


Best regards ,

Aussie..

#2
Don't you have oil leaks that you need to resolve that require you pulling the heads?
Milling them a bit ensures they are flat to get good seal as well as boosting your compression to where the Genesis needs to work.
#3 not a waste if you rode a lot and hard but you don't..... Save that for later  besides you stated you were looking at a relatively economical solution... this would add a grand to your cost in Australia

QuoteDo I need to install a 58 mm TB for this fit? Maybe HPI, S & S or S/E? What about changing
    the Injectors as well, or is it a wast of money with this build?

What do you think ?

all a waste of money with any of those choices.

Quote from: strokerjlk on January 09, 2014, 06:40:50 AM

QuoteDo I need to install a 58 mm TB for this fit? Maybe HPI, S & S or S/E? What about changing
    the Injectors as well, or is it a wast of money with this build?

What do you think ?

all a waste of money with any of those choices.

I disagree BOB D proved this to be other wise as many others. Ask BV about BOBs testing on a stock 103. Stock CVO head out flows the 50 FBW so the cable T/B flows less than that.

Quote from: Gmr-Performance on January 09, 2014, 11:46:02 AM

Quote from: strokerjlk on January 09, 2014, 06:40:50 AM

QuoteDo I need to install a 58 mm TB for this fit? Maybe HPI, S & S or S/E? What about changing
    the Injectors as well, or is it a wast of money with this build?

What do you think ?

all a waste of money with any of those choices.

I disagree BOB D proved this to be other wise as many others. Ask BV about BOBs testing on a stock 103. Stock CVO head out flows the 50 FBW so the cable T/B flows less than that.

   A choke point is a choke point it does not matter where it is

With that B/R 2-2 exhaust it's a waste of money .
On the 110 I posted a sheet on with the 570's and a rb 2-1 , the 58 mm was money well spent .

Strokerjlk/torqueinc/GMR,

Out of curiosity, if you Guys owned this 2008 CVO Springer and you wanted to do a build on the 110 Motor, given you have your own workshops, how would you go about the build to increase the performance on the 110 and give you a reliable Motor? Forget about cost, as you guys can build the engine cheaper than your clients.. You know what's works and what doesn't work with the 110, you do the Dyno runs, what would you do? How would build the Motor for yourself?

I would like your opinions of how you would go about it? I seem to be way of the mark with my opinion..

I will leave it to the experts..

Best regards,

Aussie..

the same way as this 113 ci
except.... i would use a boarzilla exhaust

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,68943.0.html

Quote from: hogdownunder on January 10, 2014, 04:43:18 AM
Strokerjlk/torqueinc/GMR,

Out of curiosity, if you Guys owned this 2008 CVO Springer and you wanted to do a build on the 110 Motor, given you have your own workshops, how would you go about the build to increase the performance on the 110 and give you a reliable Motor? Forget about cost, as you guys can build the engine cheaper than your clients.. You know what's works and what doesn't work with the 110, you do the Dyno runs, what would you do? How would build the Motor for yourself?

I would like your opinions of how you would go about it? I seem to be way of the mark with my opinion..

I will leave it to the experts..

Best regards,

Aussie..

  If it were my bike

  I would do what I have done recently to the 110 heads

  1.8 port id   2.13/1.645  custom manley valves,beehives,Cyco guides
 
   58 throttle hog worked a tick

   My STC11 cam 251/247 @.053   .617/.576  47.5 close


    Diamond forged,full skirt pistons 4.050 bore,4CC 3D dome

   compression @ 10.75/10.8

    Dragos softie pipe if available

   bout it....should be 125 square ish maybe a bit more and this cam is quiet,Might add some S&S rockers

Hi Guys,

Thank you for your replies.

Strokerjlk,  how would your build go with the same parts as you installed, but leave the Heads at 110cc, that is use 4.0" pistons?

Quote from: hogdownunder on January 13, 2014, 02:34:38 AM
Hi Guys,

Thank you for your replies.

Strokerjlk,  how would your build go with the same parts as you installed, but leave the Heads at 110cc, that is use 4.0" pistons?

I think it  would go around 127-130 ish hp and tq
Just knock 3-4 peak off the 113 numbers

Quote from: torqueinc on January 11, 2014, 12:40:24 AM

Quote from: hogdownunder on January 10, 2014, 04:43:18 AM
Strokerjlk/torqueinc/GMR,

Out of curiosity, if you Guys owned this 2008 CVO Springer and you wanted to do a build on the 110 Motor, given you have your own workshops, how would you go about the build to increase the performance on the 110 and give you a reliable Motor? Forget about cost, as you guys can build the engine cheaper than your clients.. You know what's works and what doesn't work with the 110, you do the Dyno runs, what would you do? How would build the Motor for yourself?

I would like your opinions of how you would go about it? I seem to be way of the mark with my opinion..

I will leave it to the experts..

Best regards,

Aussie..

  If it were my bike

  I would do what I have done recently to the 110 heads

  1.8 port id   2.13/1.645  custom manley valves,beehives,Cyco guides
 
   58 throttle hog worked a tick

  My STC11 cam 251/247 @.053   .617/.576  47.5 close


    Diamond forged,full skirt pistons 4.050 bore,4CC 3D dome

   compression @ 10.75/10.8

    Dragos softie pipe if available

   bout it....should be 125 square ish maybe a bit more and this cam is quiet,Might add some S&S rockers

You PM box is full.
What do you have fer TDC valve lift with this cam?
What is the price?

Quote from: jsachs1 on January 06, 2014, 05:27:05 PM
Put a 24 cam in the 110", add a little compression(90 cc head), and a good tune. Not only will it kick the sh*t  out of the 255 cammed motor,  but it will get rid of all the pms the 255 cam creates.
John

. :agree
IMO this still looks like the best bang for the buck for all around performance, driveability and durability

Quote from: 1FSTRK on January 13, 2014, 06:09:28 AM

Quote from: torqueinc on January 11, 2014, 12:40:24 AM

Quote from: hogdownunder on January 10, 2014, 04:43:18 AM
Strokerjlk/torqueinc/GMR,

Out of curiosity, if you Guys owned this 2008 CVO Springer and you wanted to do a build on the 110 Motor, given you have your own workshops, how would you go about the build to increase the performance on the 110 and give you a reliable Motor? Forget about cost, as you guys can build the engine cheaper than your clients.. You know what's works and what doesn't work with the 110, you do the Dyno runs, what would you do? How would build the Motor for yourself?

I would like your opinions of how you would go about it? I seem to be way of the mark with my opinion..

I will leave it to the experts..

Best regards,

Aussie..

  If it were my bike

  I would do what I have done recently to the 110 heads

  1.8 port id   2.13/1.645  custom manley valves,beehives,Cyco guides
 
   58 throttle hog worked a tick

  My STC11 cam 251/247 @.053   .617/.576  47.5 close


    Diamond forged,full skirt pistons 4.050 bore,4CC 3D dome

   compression @ 10.75/10.8

    Dragos softie pipe if available

   bout it....should be 125 square ish maybe a bit more and this cam is quiet,Might add some S&S rockers

You PM box is full.
What do you have fer TDC valve lift with this cam?
What is the price?

  Fixed

Hi Strokerjlk,

Does the T-Man 662-2 cam allow the 110 motor to sound smooth at idle like the  S/E 255 Cam, or does it sound a little mean like the S/E 204 Cam?