nyc just got WORSE

[96flhpi]

FastFL - The problem is that NY state is pulling bikes over when no laws have been broken.  I've been pulled over (along with every other bike riding on I-84) for "routine safety checks" during which they make sure I have current reg and ins., a DOT helmet, and a M/C endorsement on my license.  I've NEVER been randomly pulled over in my car to make sure I have a drivers license and am wearing my seat belt.

I agree with you that straight pipes harm our reputations and I personally don't care for them.  I have no problem with a scoot being pulled over for decible testing - I know that a lot of us do have a problem with that - but it don't bother me as long as the bike in question is unreasonably loud.  What does bother me is "vehicular profiling" or whatever you want to call it.  I ride a bike and I ride it responsibly, why should I be subjected to random searches without probable cause just because I'm on two wheels instead of four.  Why should I be subjected to extra EPA inspections if they are not applied equally to all vehicles, two wheels or more.

BTW, studies show that red cars are more likely to have an accident.  I'm gonna write my congressman and demand that buyers of red cars have to take an additional 10 hour safety class, pass an additional safety test and demonstrate their driving abilities to any officer who demands it

[Flat Dog]

This whole 'police ourselves' arguments stinks of soviet russia, and the turn in your neighbor BS. Looks like a whole lot of people have forgotten that your government-according to both state and fed constitutions-works for US-We The People. No individual not involved in lawmaking as making ANYTHING happen, and those that follow that reasoning are already suckered into the 'behave or we'll be in trouble' fascist attitude that has nothing to do with being a patriotic American, and making sure our government works for US. I hate talking politics, but these tactics are already working-divide and conquer. It's strategy 101.

Not doing a dang thing as a lawmaker to really help your employees? Start some crap with those dirty, filthy loud obnoxious scummy tattoo covered bikers. They are terrorists, you know...Osama loves loud pipes.

[1JITSU1]

Not just the city. The whole damn state. And all of the Island.
This governor has to go. He cant see past his nose but has great hearing
The stupid a--hole wants to put a tax on only reg. soda not diet just reg soda
this and some of his other hair brain schemes are going to save 12 billion bucks
Hope he dont tax grandma's tea
New York had some real winning gov. One cant keep his pants on Another made shoreham
but this one takes the cake oh I mean soda
Oh yeah,  if he cut out welfare he could save 11 billion right there
P.S. he also dont like S N L
You know who could save the state president Bill Clinton he could make up that 12 billion
he should be New Yorks gov.

[shovelbill]

i did not put the 1st post up to start a dialog about pipes. i didnt put the second post up to talk about caddies. i am using this forum/thread as a vessle to communicate what is REALLY going on in this city/country. i wanted to see what kind of responses this would generate and am surprised by the lack of interest in our rights being taken away. i would have thought the "motorcycle only" safty checks would have alarmed a few.
i wonder what will happen when they kick in someones door and confiscate their legally owned guns. perhaps that, my friends will make more people aware of what "they" think of the Constitition. its going into overdrive now and will only get worse. 96flhpi caught my drift, i was hoping more would have. perhaps i should have chosen a better title, but that wasnt the point of the exercise..............keep the shiny side up,
                                                                     bill

[panz4ever]

Seems to me like the bikers of NYC and NY need to organize a protest and do a ride-in on the capitol. Something along the lines of the movie "Convoy". About 20K bikers clogging the street would shut down NYC and shut down the capitol as well. Sometimes you have to break the law in order to defend it.

[shovelmonster76]

You are dead on. What about the guys that don't have all of their MSO's or just had a couple of beers at the club. I'm probably not helping but it's the truth. I live in a small town where a lot of law enforcement ride and we don't have a problem with road blocks or cops harassing us about our pipes. Every bar around has bike night at least once a week even in winter and I have never heard of anybody getting bugged unless they wipe out or just doing stupid stuff or something.

[FLH]

Turns out, they took it off the "agenda" for this session. Here's what the AMA says:


Action Alert

12/15/2008 Information Alert - Update on New York City Introduction 416-A


Attention New York City Area Motorcyclists

Legislation that would mandate the use of OEM (original equipment manufacturer) exhaust systems on all motorcycles in New York City has been "deferred" by the New York City Council. Originally scheduled for consideration at its December 18 meeting, Introduction 416-A has been removed from the agenda.

A representative in the Clerk of Council's office confirmed the removal of the legislation Monday (December 15) afternoon.

The bill would prohibit the parking, stopping or standing of any motorcycle equipped with "straight pipes." Under the definition of "straight pipe" in Intro 416-A, any motorcycle exhaust system not stamped with the U.S. EPA compliance label would be in violation of the law, regardless of the sound level emitted by the exhaust system.

Motorcyclists should continue contacting their City Council members to voice concern regarding this legislation.

So it could be brought back. I say, git yourself one of those EPA stamps, and stamp your pipes legal

[KB]

Same is Oz only it's a National Standard. They don't have to warn you just take it on the spot no questions no come back, too bad so sad can't even fight it court. If it's not OEM or *branded* as standards compliant bye bye bike.

Same for any engine modifications, if you don't have it signed off by the transport dept it's gone. That is any modification not a genuine part included in the standards list. Even Harley aftermarket SE parts might be get it confiscated.

[Flat Dog]

It's all been a slippery slope for years, and the 'paranoids' who used to be called batty and unpatriotic because they said the US government ultimately wants to be a fascist dictatorship are now being kind of listened to, but much too late.


Illegal search and seizure has been upheld by the supreme court, and we allow our stuff to be stolen by big brother while doing nothing about these illegal acts.


Lube up, fellow citizens...more is coming.

[shovelbill]

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[Bagger]

Turns out, they took it off the "agenda" for this session. Here's what the AMA says:

Action Alert  12/15/2008 Information Alert - Update on New York City Introduction 416-A

Attention New York City Area Motorcyclists -  Legislation that would mandate the use of OEM (original equipment manufacturer) exhaust systems on all motorcycles in New York City has been "deferred" by the New York City Council. Originally scheduled for consideration at its December 18 meeting, Introduction 416-A has been removed from the agenda.  A representative in the Clerk of Council's office confirmed the removal of the legislation Monday (December 15) afternoon.

The bill would prohibit the parking, stopping or standing of any motorcycle equipped with "straight pipes." Under the definition of "straight pipe" in Intro 416-A, any motorcycle exhaust system not stamped with the U.S. EPA compliance label would be in violation of the law, regardless of the sound level emitted by the exhaust system.

Motorcyclists should continue contacting their City Council members to voice concern regarding this legislation.  So it could be brought back. I say, git yourself one of those EPA stamps, and stamp your pipes legal

All over the nation, cities and municipalities are cracking down on motorcycle exhausts.  It's coming to where eventually, anything other than stock won't be tolerated.  When folks talk about loud pipes they think of drag pipes.  So what about us guys that run aftermarket exhaust like D&D Fat Cat, Rineharts, Vance & Hines True Duals, and all the aftermarket slip ons for stock headers?

[MBSKEAM]

muffler wrap tape....
may look like crap  on a new bike, but they (THE MANN) cant see whats under it without destroying your property....
this would slow them up a bit.....


mbskeam

[boooby1744]

muffler wrap tape....
may look like crap  on a new bike, but they (THE MANN) cant see whats under it without destroying your property....
this would slow them up a bit.....

Believe me,there would be a ticket/fine for obstructing view...................then you'd be hit w/ 2 fines.
mbskeam

[shrike96]

Well its going to be reintroduced.  Here is a copy of the petition.  Print it out and have your friends and family sign it.  Then mail it in!   Be part of the solution.  Inaction will solve nothing.  Trust me, if this passes it will sweep the nation!!!  As NYC goes so goes the nation, sad but true.  Join ABATE, MRF or what ever MRO you feel good about and  join the fight. 
Mail the petitions to:
Nancy Ortize
330 Madison Street Apt. 4F
New York, NY 10002

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[cheetah]

Preview of coming attractions.
If we don't discourage those who abuse the system by sitting at a red light and reving up their drag pipes, we will all pay the price. (Like it or not.)
But then........ there will always be the "non conformists"
And Politicans will always be politicans.
C

[Ghost Rider]

More than once, while in NYC, I have witnessed bikers rudely and arrogantly using loud drag pipes to intimidate pedestrians. I thought someday we will all have to pay for the behavior of these morons. I still have stock pipes stashed away for when that day comes.

[apes]

If they are going to target loud bikes and get accustomed to LOOKING for Harleys ....a simple magnetic tank badge that says HONDA may escape close scrutiny

Just joking!!!

[Hoist!]

HeHe!!! Opinions, opinions, opinions! Need I say more. This ain't about noise. This ain't about scaring the "Potty mouth" outta pedestrians. This ain't about what they think of bikers. It's about our RIGHTS dammit!!!!! You make a law that affects ALL people eaually!!! When the buses, garbage trucks, cranes, construction equipment, tractor-trailers, lawn mowers, weed wackers, Bloomberg's big mouth, yada, yada, yada, ALL must meet the EXACT sound criteria, then talk to me. Until then, you ain't TOUCHING my bike cause it's louder than a friggin bicycle!!! Screw Bloomberg!!! It's all him people. If ya haven't lived thru this "Potty mouth", then you really don't know the whole story. JMO, but this "Potty mouth" really pisses me off!!!

Hoist!

[IndyHarley]

HeHe!!! Opinions, opinions, opinions! Need I say more. This ain't about noise. This ain't about scaring the "Potty mouth" outta pedestrians. This ain't about what they think of bikers. It's about our RIGHTS dammit!!!!! You make a law that affects ALL people eaually!!! When the buses, garbage trucks, cranes, construction equipment, tractor-trailers, lawn mowers, weed wackers, Bloomberg's big mouth, yada, yada, yada, ALL must meet the EXACT sound criteria, then talk to me. Until then, you ain't TOUCHING my bike cause it's louder than a friggin bicycle!!! Screw Bloomberg!!! It's all him people. If ya haven't lived thru this "Potty mouth", then you really don't know the whole story. JMO, but this "Potty mouth" really pisses me off!!!

Hoist!

yes it is about rights but my feelings is that it is even more fundamental and deepr than that. The government has gotten to the point that they believe ordinary people can't function without the government telling them what to do, in other words we are stupid and they are smart (BIG Brother). You can reduce all of that to a huge push towards 'socialism'. It ain't far away in my opinion. My response to most is - if you didn't vote then don't complain because that is part of the problem and secondly if you voted and your candidate lost then next time be more proactive and get others to vote.

Now I return you to your regular scheduled program.

[Hoist!]

yes it is about rights but my feelings is that it is even more fundamental and deepr than that. The government has gotten to the point that they believe ordinary people can't function without the government telling them what to do, in other words we are stupid and they are smart (BIG Brother). You can reduce all of that to a huge push towards 'socialism'. It ain't far away in my opinion. My response to most is - if you didn't vote then don't complain because that is part of the problem and secondly if you voted and your candidate lost then next time be more proactive and get others to vote.

Now I return you to your regular scheduled program.

HeHe! Yeah we vote! Change things? Try changing things in a place full of Liberal pukes! Oops, I said it! The friggin votes are already predetermined here for the most part. And if not, Bloomberg goes behgind closed doors and makes his own rules! Guess you don't live here!

Hoist!