switching from TTS to PV

[06roadglide]

Please correct me if I'm wrong about this...

I'm researching switching from a TTS to a Power Vision.  When I do this I MUST reflash the ECU from the TTS back to the stock program.  IS this correct?

I know my original (stock) flash is long gone and I can't recover it.  What do you do in this instance?

Or can the PV now reflash over a existing TTS flash?  Just purchase a PV, select a program and flash it.

[UltraNutZ]

Please correct me if I'm wrong about this...

I'm researching switching from a TTS to a Power Vision.  When I do this I MUST reflash the ECU from the TTS back to the stock program.  IS this correct?

you must reflash back to stock, yes.

I know my original (stock) flash is long gone and I can't recover it.  What do you do in this instance?

phone Steve Cole @ TTS.  Did you not upload the original to the TTS repository for safe keeping?

Or can the PV now reflash over a existing TTS flash?  Just purchase a PV, select a program and flash it.

nope.

[06roadglide]

I know my original (stock) flash is long gone and I can't recover it.  What do you do in this instance?

phone Steve Cole @ TTS.  Did you not upload the original to the TTS repository for safe keeping?

I know I saved it but it was on another computer and since then lost the hard drive in it.  I didn't save it to a flash drive for safe keeping either.  If it's on my current computer I can't identify it by a file name either.  I'm just screwed on that part.

[UltraNutZ]

do a search on your computer's C: for *.mte and include hidden files and folders.  If it's there, it will be found

[Durwood]

Fuel Moto can also unlock your ECM.

Buy the Powervision from them and I am sure Jamie and the crew will be more than happy to help you.

[06roadglide]

do a search on your computer's C: for *.mte and include hidden files and folders.  If it's there, it will be found

Thanks, I'll try that.

will any stock 06 flash work or is it VIN specific?

[UltraNutZ]

it's vin specific.  unless you changed the name of the file, when it was saved it was saved as the VIN#.mte

blue or black TTS VCI?

if blue, the mte file is likely on the VCI

[06roadglide]

it's vin specific.  unless you changed the name of the file, when it was saved it was saved as the VIN#.mte

blue or black TTS VCI?

if blue, the mte file is likely on the VCI

It's the black one.  If it's saved using the VIN in the file name that'll help a ton to find it!  Thanks  I didn't know that.

[06roadglide]

Fuel Moto can also unlock your ECM.

Buy the Powervision from them and I am sure Jamie and the crew will be more than happy to help you.

Thanks Durwood, if I go through FM I have a dealer for them local to me.  I called them and They're gonna look into for me. 

[UltraNutZ]

Fuel Moto can also unlock your ECM.

Buy the Powervision from them and I am sure Jamie and the crew will be more than happy to help you.

When did they start doing this?

[lonewolf]

Why would you want to change?

[UltraNutZ]

Why would you want to change?

my thoughts.. 

[Durwood]

Fuel Moto can also unlock your ECM.

Buy the Powervision from them and I am sure Jamie and the crew will be more than happy to help you.

When did they start doing this?

Been a while,a couple of years IIRC.

[06roadglide]

Fuel Moto can also unlock your ECM.

Buy the Powervision from them and I am sure Jamie and the crew will be more than happy to help you.

When did they start doing this?

I haven't purchased a PV at this time. 

[06roadglide]

Why would you want to change?

To be able to change tunes on long trips if I encounter fuels problems and not have to pack my large laptop.
Also to be able to install WB sensors if I decide to.

[06roadglide]

Why would you want to change?

my thoughts..   

  No koolaid for me.  Just be nice to able to monitor things without the use of a laptop sitting on the tank trying to hold it, watch it what's going on and drive at the same time.  The holding it part is the hardest, sometimes dangerous part. 

[vafatboy1]

it's vin specific.  unless you changed the name of the file, when it was saved it was saved as the VIN#.mte

blue or black TTS VCI?

if blue, the mte file is likely on the VCI

My TTS default file name for the saved mte file is stock.mte

I had it on a computer that crashed too.  When I needed it I put the hard drive from that laptop in an external drive and was able to recover it.

[UltraNutZ]

Why would you want to change?

my thoughts..   

  No koolaid for me.  Just be nice to able to monitor things without the use of a laptop sitting on the tank trying to hold it, watch it what's going on and drive at the same time.  The holding it part is the hardest, sometimes dangerous part. 

just razzing you..

[BVHOG]

Why switch, your kinda locked into anyway, If I already had one (TTS) I would use it. If I were buying new I would buy the power vision for the very reason of the TTS locking out the others.

[hrdtail78]

Why switch, your kinda locked into anyway, If I already had one (TTS) I would use it. If I were buying new I would buy the power vision for the very reason of the TTS locking out the others.

I'd stick with the TTS also.  I like the way the LTFT tables are set up for actually riding the bike and not for the EPA.  IMO This trumps having all the problems I have never had with a TTS locked ECM.

If you pull the calibration that is in there now as a MTE.  With email you can get a unlocked stock MTE.

[06roadglide]

You guys are definitely making me think of just keeping what I have.

[Durwood]

Multiple calibrations at your finger tips and the ability to view important perameters while riding, post tune, were a couple of the features that led me to Powervision, Fuel trims are easy to reset as well, again, right at your finger tips. No computer needed.

I, like you, wanted more from my tuner so I put the TTS in the tool box and installed the Powervision. Nothing against TTS, I just like the Powervision.

[rbabos]

Multiple calibrations at your finger tips and the ability to view important perameters while riding, post tune, were a couple of the features that led me to Powervision, Fuel trims are easy to reset as well, again, right at your finger tips. No computer needed.

I, like you, wanted more from my tuner so I put the TTS in the tool box and installed the Powervision. Nothing against TTS, I just like the Powervision.

Plus the ability to turn the adaptive off if desired.
Ron

[UltraNutZ]

here's my main issues with using PV

screen is too small for my old eyes to see and with that said

no video output method

currently I have a Surface Pro 3 that I mount to left handlebar using my super-duper-secretive-made mirror mount and Ram X-Grip mount.  Plug in the USB to the TTS or even the SEPST and go street tune (not fortunate enough to have a dyno yet) and I can see what I'm doing while I'm doing it.  Pull over, regurgitate a new cal, flash it, go tune some more.

If the PV had a larger screen or video out option, I would probably be more receptive to it.

[FLTRI]

Just don't ride down the road while looking at that postage stamp screen. By the time you look back at the road and refocus your attention, you become the bug on the windshield.
Bob

[rbabos]

Just don't ride down the road while looking at that postage stamp screen. By the time you look back at the road and refocus your attention, you become the bug on the windshield.
Bob

Like road tuning is safe to start with.
Ron

[FSG]

Like road tuning is safe to start with.
Ron

   as is yacking on the mobile phone

[FLTRI]

Just don't ride down the road while looking at that postage stamp screen. By the time you look back at the road and refocus your attention, you become the bug on the windshield.
Bob

Like road tuning is safe to start with.
Ron

I believe riding around recording data, then coming back to build a new calibration is a whole bunch safer than monitoring engine data on a little bitty screen while riding down the road.
Texting is the ONLY thing more dangerous than monitoring while riding.
As far as talking on the phone while driving I believe that's a whole lot safer than the others mentioned above.
Bob

[UltraNutZ]

yeah well I'm sure some of you guys who own dynos now were street tuning at some point in your past.  We all gotta start somewhere..

[FSG]

As far as talking on the phone while driving I believe that's a whole lot safer than the others mentioned above.

I don't know what planet your on but there is nothing safe about talking on the phone while driving or riding.

[FLTRI]

As far as talking on the phone while driving I believe that's a whole lot safer than the others mentioned above.

I don't know what planet your on but there is nothing safe about talking on the phone while driving or riding.

You know exactly where I am. You are a moderator. lol
Ever wonder how NASCAR drivers talk on the "radio" while driving over 200mph?
Shouldn't be allowed because it's so unsafe, right?
You should moderate rather than bait me every chance you get.
Bob

[FSG]

Ever wonder how NASCAR drivers talk on the "radio" while driving over 200mph?
Shouldn't be allowed because it's so unsafe, right?

There's a whole lot of difference between a closed controlled race circuit and a public street/road.

[Coyote]

As far as talking on the phone while driving I believe that's a whole lot safer than the others mentioned above.

I don't know what planet your on but there is nothing safe about talking on the phone while driving or riding.

You know exactly where I am. You are a moderator. lol
Ever wonder how NASCAR drivers talk on the "radio" while driving over 200mph?
Shouldn't be allowed because it's so unsafe, right?
You should moderate rather than bait me every chance you get.
Bob

Bob, I'm a HAM radio operator and I can tell you that without a doubt, the distraction from that is nothing compared to the distraction from talking on a phone. I personally find a phone conversation considerably more distracting than when I was was Vtuning with a display.

I've gotten anymore where I won't even take calls in the truck with a completely hands free system. Maybe I'm getting slower as I age, IDK.

I have my touring bike setup to show me incoming calls on my GPS on the bike but I would never consider taking one. Just not worth it IMO. Glancing at static displays like the GPS, dash etc never concern me.

[Durwood]

Just don't ride down the road while looking at that postage stamp screen. By the time you look back at the road and refocus your attention, you become the bug on the windshield.
Bob

Bob, the gauge set up is nice, the windows in each screen are very viewable at a glance and it's easy to flip screens between the 4 that are available, 2 of the screens are 4 large window, and 2 are 6 window for monitoring up to 20 data streams in real time, of the users choosing.

[hrdtail78]

I usually find a bic pen or sharpie to hit the screen with.   I dont find the thing to useful to use while riding.  Changing screens or watching live data. 

[UltraNutZ]

exactly.. too damn small to do anything with.  that's why I wish they had way to tie in a tablet to use with it.  so much easier and my eyes aren't off the road at all with the tablet.

[Durwood]

I usually find a bic pen or sharpie to hit the screen with.   I dont find the thing to useful to use while riding.  Changing screens or watching live data.

I like watching the data, I find it very advantageous for street tuning, dial the ve's in then turn auto tune off. Then a guy can watch knock counts, where and when, degrees of retard, ect and make sure the actual afr matches the commanded afr.
I can see your point of view if you tune it on a dyno, but without that option, this works. IME

[98fxstc]

Flight Recorder is a huge plus but some areas still hard to hit and a tablet on the handlebars is the best way to fill these areas.
Problem is that these are mostly the higher map areas and a deserted stretch of straight road is the safest bet.

Ideally do the idle and cruise with road tuning and get to a dyno operator if you can with the higher tps and rpm areas.
Good idea to have wide band or herko blocks to verify these areas anyway.
Not convinced with auto-extend in TTS. 

[UltraNutZ]

or use the Green VCI

[Durwood]

Flight Recorder is a huge plus but some areas still hard to hit and a tablet on the handlebars is the best way to fill these areas.
Problem is that these are mostly the higher map areas and a deserted stretch of straight road is the safest bet.

Ideally do the idle and cruise with road tuning and get to a dyno operator if you can with the higher tps and rpm areas.
Good idea to have wide band or herko blocks to verify these areas anyway.
Not convinced with auto-extend in TTS.

My bad, I didn't clarify, I am using the AT-110 with wide bands.

[98fxstc]

or use the Green VCI

I've thought about that
Got some Innovate stuff I tuned the evo with
but speed is still the problem

[UltraNutZ]

true.. that's the only part I hate about street tuning.. getting those higher KPAs.  The lower KPAs I can usually get close with simply putting the front wheel up against a cabinet in the garage or even using the front brake while tuning at low speeds but requires a little lugging.  works well as long as you know when to call it quits.   

[98fxstc]

And locking the ecm doesnt worry me one little bit
I just want to have a good tune in there

[UltraNutZ]

yeah that whole locking the ECM thing that everyone portrays as being such a bad thing.. well it ain't such a bad thing at all.  Running around town, the TTS is on the shelf.  If I go out of town, it's in the saddlebag.  Quick connect to the tablet I carry around with me anyways because of my job and I have a stock MTE file in there in 5 minutes.  Only difference between it and the PV in that respect is one takes a computer, the other doesn't.  Either way you're likely to have to reload your map when the dealer gets finished anyways if you have an issue that requires dealer intervention.

[hrdtail78]

The Visions still needs a computer to email calibrations.

[1FSTRK]

Like road tuning is safe to start with.
Ron

   as is yacking on the mobile phone

The internet is proof that most people cannot even think while typing, so how can you expect them to drive while texting or talking on the phone. As far as tuning on the road goes, regardless of brand, the practice of looking at any screen while diving could just bring on a needed cleansing of the gene pool.

[BVHOG]

yeah well I'm sure some of you guys who own dynos now were street tuning at some point in your past.  We all gotta start somewhere..

Yup, neighbors hated it and when the State Patrol started sitting on the side road south of my house I knew it was time for a dyno. He (state patrol) did get a couple of crotch rockets doing 100 plus though, lol

[Durwood]

yeah well I'm sure some of you guys who own dynos now were street tuning at some point in your past.  We all gotta start somewhere..

Yup, neighbors hated it and when the State Patrol started sitting on the side road south of my house I knew it was time for a dyno. He (state patrol) did get a couple of crotch rockets doing 100 plus though, lol

This is one of the main reasons I bought a dyno, tuning the upper areas of the map on the highway is hazardous to my health and driving privelidges.

It will be here in a couple of days.

[hrdtail78]

Congrats on the dyno.  It will spoil you and you will wonder how/ why you did it the other way for so long.  Then somebody will bring a trike in, and oh boy.  Your back in the mix on the street.

[Durwood]

Congrats on the dyno.  It will spoil you and you will wonder how/ why you did it the other way for so long.  Then somebody will bring a trike in, and oh boy.  Your back in the mix on the street.

I bought a 250ix, got the trikes covered too.

[hrdtail78]

Nice!  I'll send them your way then.

[06roadglide]

Congrats on the dyno.  It will spoil you and you will wonder how/ why you did it the other way for so long.  Then somebody will bring a trike in, and oh boy.  Your back in the mix on the street.

I bought a 250ix, got the trikes covered too.

Dang Durwood!! Did you buy a new one?
You're in southern IN correct?

And Congrats!! I sure wish I could afford one right now.  Me a buddy really want one for his Business.

[glens]

Talking on the phone while driving is perhaps less distracting than talking to the person sitting next to you while driving.

[Coyote]

Talking on the phone while driving is perhaps less distracting than talking to the person sitting next to you while driving.

Studies have shown this not to be true.

http://unews.utah.edu/old/p/112608-2.html

[Durwood]

Nice!  I'll send them your way then.

Thanks

[Durwood]

Congrats on the dyno.  It will spoil you and you will wonder how/ why you did it the other way for so long.  Then somebody will bring a trike in, and oh boy.  Your back in the mix on the street.

I bought a 250ix, got the trikes covered too.

Dang Durwood!! Did you buy a new one?
You're in southern IN correct?

And Congrats!! I sure wish I could afford one right now.  Me a buddy really want one for his Business.

Yes, I bought a new one, there are quite a few updates to the electronics and software on a new one versus buying used and updating, this made the most sense to me.

Besides, I can't let Stroker, Jason, Bob, Nick, Steve and Jamie have all the fun..

Herko is a mentor/teacher to me and between him and Stroker the transition from street tuner to dyno tuner should be smooth.

Thanks,

Yes, Evansville In.

[06roadglide]

Congrats on the dyno.  It will spoil you and you will wonder how/ why you did it the other way for so long.  Then somebody will bring a trike in, and oh boy.  Your back in the mix on the street.

I bought a 250ix, got the trikes covered too.

Dang Durwood!! Did you buy a new one?
You're in southern IN correct?

And Congrats!! I sure wish I could afford one right now.  Me a buddy really want one for his Business.

Yes, I bought a new one, there are quite a few updates to the electronics and software on a new one versus buying used and updating, this made the most sense to me.

Besides, I can't let Stroker, Jason, Bob, Nick, Steve and Jamie have all the fun..

Herko is a mentor/teacher to me and between him and Stroker the transition from street tuner to dyno tuner should be smooth.

Thanks,

Yes, Evansville In.

Nice! HTT members are going nationwide with dyno services for the rest of us members.     None of us should have to travel too far to get a quality tune from any of you guys.

Herko is a Hell of a Man!! I met him a couple of times out at his place.  That guy takes pride in everything he does, spotless!!  Hated that he sold his dyno to Louisville HD.

Good luck with the new tool and look forward to seeing your progress with it.   

[Durwood]

Congrats on the dyno.  It will spoil you and you will wonder how/ why you did it the other way for so long.  Then somebody will bring a trike in, and oh boy.  Your back in the mix on the street.

I bought a 250ix, got the trikes covered too.

Dang Durwood!! Did you buy a new one?
You're in southern IN correct?

And Congrats!! I sure wish I could afford one right now.  Me a buddy really want one for his Business.

Yes, I bought a new one, there are quite a few updates to the electronics and software on a new one versus buying used and updating, this made the most sense to me.

Besides, I can't let Stroker, Jason, Bob, Nick, Steve and Jamie have all the fun..

Herko is a mentor/teacher to me and between him and Stroker the transition from street tuner to dyno tuner should be smooth.

Thanks,

Yes, Evansville In.

Nice! HTT members are going nationwide with dyno services for the rest of us members.     None of us should have to travel too far to get a quality tune from any of you guys.

Herko is a Hell of a Man!! I met him a couple of times out at his place.  That guy takes pride in everything he does, spotless!!  Hated that he sold his dyno to Louisville HD.

Good luck with the new tool and look forward to seeing your progress with it.   

John is a very meticulous and detail oriented person, an absolute pleasure to work with.

Thanks for the well wishes

[m1marty]

Bought a 250i a few days ago.....Pretty happy about that.

[Durwood]

Bought a 250i a few days ago.....Pretty happy about that.

That's cool Marty 

[1FSTRK]

Two more EFI tuners for HTT members to work with. 
The best of luck to both of you.

[lonewolf]

Two more EFI tuners for HTT members to work with. 
The best of luck to both of you.

Enjoy

[redmtrckl]

Just don't ride down the road while looking at that postage stamp screen. By the time you look back at the road and refocus your attention, you become the bug on the windshield.
Bob

Someday I expect to hear of a big lawsuit over this road tuning device where the last thing that went through some guy's mind was his A-hole. Stupid is as stupid does I guess.

[joe_lyons]

They could get sued as much as the people who make the perch mounted clocks.  The PV screen worked better for throttle position as you could jump to that TP and just hold it but MAP is a little more tricky.  Some people can handle it and others can not.  Long empty roads for any road tuning is the best idea, be it a "postage stamp" size screen or a 10" tablet.  If you eyesight is crappy then do not attempt. 

[UltraNutZ]

They could get sued as much as the people who make the perch mounted clocks.  The PV screen worked better for throttle position as you could jump to that TP and just hold it but MAP is a little more tricky.  Some people can handle it and others can not.  Long empty roads for any road tuning is the best idea, be it a "postage stamp" size screen or a 10" tablet.  If you eyesight is crappy then do not attempt. 

common sense is the biggest factor involved in doing such.  If you lack it, you probably shouldn't be riding a bike to begin with.

[Admiral Akbar]

Just don't ride down the road while looking at that postage stamp screen. By the time you look back at the road and refocus your attention, you become the bug on the windshield.
Bob

Someday I expect to hear of a big lawsuit over this road tuning device where the last thing that went through some guy's mind was his A-hole. Stupid is as stupid does I guess.

Sounds like a good argument for a full time closed loop AFR tuning system without a display..

[rbabos]

Just don't ride down the road while looking at that postage stamp screen. By the time you look back at the road and refocus your attention, you become the bug on the windshield.
Bob

Someday I expect to hear of a big lawsuit over this road tuning device where the last thing that went through some guy's mind was his A-hole. Stupid is as stupid does I guess.

Sounds like a good argument for a full time closed loop AFR tuning system without a display..

Been there, done that.
Ron

[a2wheeler]

Wish one of you guys with a Dyno lived near Colorado. But for now, I'm going back on the road today to do more road tuning. No display, just a laptop in the truck which I hope maintains connection for the entire run. The toothpick on the usb connection has been working well. But i still have to watch for cops.

[UltraNutZ]

a2wheeler.  take a pair of pliers and squeeze the connection on the USB cable so that it fits real tight in the connection on the laptop.  No problems.

[a2wheeler]

Dang it. Tooth pick failed me on 2nd run. Thanks Ultra - I will try the pliers.

[Admiral Akbar]

Just don't ride down the road while looking at that postage stamp screen. By the time you look back at the road and refocus your attention, you become the bug on the windshield.
Bob

Someday I expect to hear of a big lawsuit over this road tuning device where the last thing that went through some guy's mind was his A-hole. Stupid is as stupid does I guess.

Sounds like a good argument for a full time closed loop AFR tuning system without a display..

Been there, done that.
Ron

And you survived.. Amazing..