2006 Dyna 107" all bore rebuild

[2006FXDCI]

I am doing a refresh on my all bore 107" this winter . Getting it set up for hot street/strip use . Don from HD Street Performance is doing all my machine work for the build . I sent him my heads which were already done by another porter 7 years ago to freshen up . The heads had a 2.0" intake valve and a 1.630" exhaust valve in them , now they have a 2.050" intake valve and a 1.610" exhaust valve as well as opening the intake runners from 1.730" to 1.800" . Don will also be boring my new cylinders for the new custom 20* dome CP pistons . I have a new S&S oil pump , cam plate , roller rockers and premium lifters with limiters . Other new items include a Bandit clutch , chain drive conversion ( 24/56 ) , Smith Bros AHD314b push rods , FiveO motorsports 5.3 injectors , Wood 999-6 cams , Bassani Pro Street exhaust . I thought I would include some pics to show where im at in the build to this point . I had to make a tool to lock the front sprocket so I could torque the tranny nut down as well .

[2006FXDCI]

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[2006FXDCI]

I havent received my cylinders, heads or pistons yet but when I do I will post up more pics on my progress . Don has been excellent to work with and I cant wait to see the results when the build is complete . I will be taking it to GMS racing to have it tuned with TTS once I'm done with the build .

[strokerjlk]

lots of good parts. looking killer Josh

[ultra200922]

That should make a fun ride. Great Pics

[1FSTRK]

Very, Very Nice.
107 all bore is a great motor.
on the sprocket tool.

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks guys ! Im excited to see how this new combo works out . I forgot to mention that compression will be 11.5 to 1 . Should crank around 215 ccp at my elevation . My flywheel has been previously done up by Darkhorse and also had timken conversion done at that time .

[Admiral Akbar]

Sounds like a screamer.. Like the tranny sprocket holder but I use this one.  Pin side works great..

http://www.bikebandit.com/manuals-tools/motorcycle-tools/motorcycle-hand-tools/motion-pro-clutch-holding-tool?b=24767&gclid=CjwKEAiA3aW2BRCD_cOo5oCFuUMSJADiIMILkMb5US3pSidzwRrd4FVG-yvMn19W_WWmOs_W8P7HJhoCqTXw_wcB

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Max ! I looked around for one online but couldnt find any . Took my sprocket to work and figured out the radius between the teeth and then calculated for the bolt circle . Those are cut off drill bits that i used for the pins . The main piece is 5/8" thick that the pins go through then i seal welded them on the backside . Thanks for the link that you posted , could you use that tool to hold your clutch basket while torqueing the nut ? Its difficult to torque the nut properly using a bandit clutch .

[Admiral Akbar]

Thanks Max ! I looked around for one online but couldnt find any . Took my sprocket to work and figured out the radius between the teeth and then calculated for the bolt circle . Those are cut off drill bits that i used for the pins . The main piece is 5/8" thick that the pins go through then i seal welded them on the backside . Thanks for the link that you posted , could you use that tool to hold your clutch basket while torqueing the nut ? Its difficult to torque the nut properly using a bandit clutch .

Funny, I've had that tool for a while but not used it on a clutch.. I do have one clutch that has to have the pressure plate removed to tighten the nut but I made a pressure plate with hole for it before I bought that tool..  I'd expect that it would work...

[koko3052]

Thanks Max ! I looked around for one online but couldnt find any . Took my sprocket to work and figured out the radius between the teeth and then calculated for the bolt circle . Those are cut off drill bits that i used for the pins . The main piece is 5/8" thick that the pins go through then i seal welded them on the backside . Thanks for the link that you posted , could you use that tool to hold your clutch basket while torqueing the nut ? Its difficult to torque the nut properly using a bandit clutch .

I NEVER thot I'd say this to another man....NICE TOOL!    

[2006FXDCI]

A man knows what a man likes 

[Just Nick]

Looks great I am starting my dyna build also and will start a post about it when I'm ready. So what is the tequila for on the table is it to help out with the octane in your fuel?

[2006FXDCI]

Nick , all the best and worst decisions were made while consuming tequila ! I like to roll the dice ! I honestly dont know why that bottle was in the pic but i do love tequila !

[Durwood]

Very nice Josh I am partial to over square builds.

[2006FXDCI]

Daren , i am partial to them as well . I have been on the fence about stroking this motor for awhile but i think i will always keep the short stroke . If i ever built another motor for it i would like to use the S&S T2 cases 4 3/8" bore and use one of their 4 1/8" stroke cranks .

[Durwood]

Daren , i am partial to them as well . I have been on the fence about stroking this motor for awhile but i think i will always keep the short stroke . If i ever built another motor for it i would like to use the S&S T2 cases 4 3/8" bore and use one of their 4 1/8" stroke cranks .

NHRA pro stock car engines are 3.760 stroke for a reason. 

[1FSTRK]

Daren , i am partial to them as well . I have been on the fence about stroking this motor for awhile but i think i will always keep the short stroke . If i ever built another motor for it i would like to use the S&S T2 cases 4 3/8" bore and use one of their 4 1/8" stroke cranks .

NHRA pro stock car engines are 3.760 stroke for a reason. 

4.00 stroke x 4.375 bore makes my favorite 120, more room for big valves and the rpms to use them. I have seen a few go through Vic's shop and they sound angry.

[2006FXDCI]

Eric , that sounds like a mean combo right there ! Throw in a set of redshift 687 cams and it would be a monster ! What cases are Vic using to go 4 3/8" bore ?

[1FSTRK]

S&S cases and cranks.

[2006FXDCI]

Does Vic have a piston made up for that combo ?

[1FSTRK]

Does Vic have a piston made up for that combo ?

Does Vic have a piston made up for that combo ?

I do not know all the specifics, but I would say yes. I have seen different combos there over the years, he is doing one right now in S&S raised deck sportster cases with an 8" rod so I am sure that piston is custom.

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Eric , hopefully I get a few years out of my rebuild but in the future I will be looking for an alternative to my lil 107" .

[1FSTRK]

Thanks Eric , hopefully I get a few years out of my rebuild but in the future I will be looking for an alternative to my lil 107" .

At least a few, that is a good combo you have there.

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks 

[jack6hd]

In my eyes, that is a fun project. Building, fire up and ride are all good times. Good luck and enjoy. Now you got me thinking about my Low Rider.

[joe_lyons]

She's gonna be hot.

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Jack and Joe ! No doubt she's gonna be hot ! I cant wait to finish it up and get some test and tune time on it . I know what my old combo would do at the track , hoping this new build wakes it up a little . It's going to be interesting seeing what gains can be had by working the baffles in the pro street exhaust .

[1FSTRK]

I looked back at the pics again, Everything clean and organized.
What did it turn at the track before?
Do you know the weight of those pistons?

[IronMike113]

I looked back at the pics again, Everything clean and organized.
What did it turn at the track before?
Do you know the weight of those pistons?

Yeah he has to have everything just so..........  Right Josh........... 

Looking great just wait for the Results 🏍💨💨💨💨💨💨

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Eric ! I rebuild turbines and generators for a living and bagging and tagging all parts is a must . Im a bit OCD as well  . The last two passes I made at the track were low 12's around 111 mph and I was having a hell of a time getting my back tire to hook up once I got out past the prep . I was running a SE 502 rear tire , that has been remedied with a shinko stealth . Im really hoping to earn my 11 sec patch this year , it's gonna be a handful off the line using the gearing I picked           ( 24/56 ) . I only put around 5-600 miles a year on this bike , most of it's time will be at the track . Last year was my first time taking the bike down to the track and I caught the bug bad ! Yes Mike , you know me all to well ! Everything has it's place 

[TXChop]

Awesome project! Great pics, keep 'em coming!

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Dan ! Nice hearing from you , hope all is well with your family

[2006FXDCI]

Here is a video of my feeble attempt to get traction ! Left a smoke screen for 300 feet through 4 gears and still ran a 13 flat at 105 mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKe1XEG3cio

[2006FXDCI]

Eric , i just reread your last post about piston weight . I believe they are right around 600 grams . We would of liked to make them allot lighter but my crank was already balanced for the old JE pistons I was running . I talked to John at Darkhorse and he advised to go no lighter than 25 grams less than the JE's weighed .

[2006FXDCI]

Just got an update from Don . My heads as delivered to him were flowing 307 @ .700" they are now flowing 322 @ .700" ! Went from a 2.0" intake to a 2.050" and he said he cleaned up the ports some . I cant wait to get it put together , they are having a 2 day AMRA event at my local track May 14th and 15th . Once i get it put together it will be going to Gregg Dahl's shop to be tuned .

[Durwood]

Cool Josh!! Be sure to post up the time slips

[N-gin]

I was going to go that route with Don, but decided a different road.
Let us know how the build turns out.
Thanks for all the pics, looks like I'll be making a tool pretty soon here.

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Daren and Ngin . I should be receiving my top end parts in the next few weeks . I will
take pics of all the parts and my progress putting it together . I will be using a set of Bassani pro streets for exhaust and will have my tuner do some testing with baffle mods as well . Im excited to see how it all shakes down in the end ! No matter what its gonna be a fun year at the track !

[pwmorris]

If i ever built another motor for it i would like to use the S&S T2 cases 4 3/8" bore and use one of their 4 1/8" stroke cranks .

Yup, have the same bore/stroke combo. Works well...

Really like your 107" build-looks like a lot of fun.
You will be in the 11's all day. With seat time, right tire and clutch set up, low 11's and knocking on the 10 second door...

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Paul ! That means allot to me hearing that from you ! Im really hoping to earn my 11 sec patch this year , im hoping to get to the track for test and tune at least twice a month . Practice , practice , practice 

[strokerjlk]

Just got an update from Don . My heads as delivered to him were flowing 307 @ .700" they are now flowing 322 @ .700" ! Went from a 2.0" intake to a 2.050" and he said he cleaned up the ports some . I cant wait to get it put together , they are having a 2 day AMRA event at my local track May 14th and 15th . Once i get it put together it will be going to Gregg Dahl's shop to be tuned .

I think that race has been canceled . Racing in Reynolds GA . Instead .
Looking forward to your results Josh .

[jmorton10]

Im really hoping to earn my 11 sec patch this year ,

I think you'll do that easily with the new build.   

GD I miss drag racing, I grew up building bikes & muscle cars to run a local 1/4 track.  Unfortunately, BOTH 1/4 mile tracks in my area have gone broke & I have nowhere to run anymore 

~John

[2006FXDCI]

Just got an update from Don . My heads as delivered to him were flowing 307 @ .700" they are now flowing 322 @ .700" ! Went from a 2.0" intake to a 2.050" and he said he cleaned up the ports some . I cant wait to get it put together , they are having a 2 day AMRA event at my local track May 14th and 15th . Once i get it put together it will be going to Gregg Dahl's shop to be tuned .

I think that race has been canceled . Racing in Reynolds GA . Instead .
Looking forward to your results Josh .

Damn that sucks Jim . They still have the AMRA race on the schedule for May 14th and 15th
http://www.pittsburghracewaypark.com/schedule.php

[strokerjlk]

Just got an update from Don . My heads as delivered to him were flowing 307 @ .700" they are now flowing 322 @ .700" ! Went from a 2.0" intake to a 2.050" and he said he cleaned up the ports some . I cant wait to get it put together , they are having a 2 day AMRA event at my local track May 14th and 15th . Once i get it put together it will be going to Gregg Dahl's shop to be tuned .

I think that race has been canceled . Racing in Reynolds GA . Instead .
Looking forward to your results Josh .

Damn that sucks Jim . They still have the AMRA race on the schedule for May 14th and 15th
http://www.pittsburghracewaypark.com/schedule.php

you have fire in the hole yet?
i would like to come there and race. my step son lives there and seeing that all bore run wood be fun.
i don't think it is happin though. 

[2006FXDCI]

No fire yet Jim . Exhaust valves were a little to long so they are being machined to size . All my parts are supposed to ship April 12th . I'm getting excited to put the old girl back together , she's been apart since mid November . That sucks about the AMRA race being cancelled , I was really looking forward to meeting you and some of the other guys from the forum . They will still be having the show and shine and grudge racing on May 15th . I will be there for that , I just gotta get on the stick and get my engine put together and get down to GMS to have Damon work his magic on my tune . I will be posting videos and time slips on here from the event . Just hoping I can get a little seat time before May 15th with all the changes I've made so I dont look like an idiot down there 

[N-gin]

Waiting for machining and having the bike apart defiantly sucks. But everyday is one day closer to fire in the hole.

[CarlosGGodfrog]

Whose cylinders are you using ? If S&S, 4.88+ or the 5.0+ ?

[2006FXDCI]

Im using S&S custom ordered cylinders . I previosly had another companies set of cylinders and chose to have S&S make me a set to match my case bore . The standard 4.125" S&S cylinders would of been a real tight fit . Im unsure of the height as i didnt measure my old jugs . I dont have the new cylinders here yet to measure them for you .

[2006FXDCI]

Got my new S&S oil pump and cam plate installed today along with the new Wood 999-6 cams . Took a few pics as i was installing . Also noticed some play in the crank sprocket for the outer cam chain . I used a .003" shim to tighten it up .

[IronMike113]

Lookin great Josh........ 
I like the color that alone will make it faster......... 
Keep us posted,It Should be a runner Right......... 

[N-gin]

Beaitiful.
a shame that will be covered.

[TXChop]

     and  to the rear tire!  lol

[vdop]

Good stuff  looking forward to this one. Got that cam plate and pump on the way myself. I'm very interested to see how the exhaust works out. I've always been a big 2-1 fan but with them becoming so popular on dynas I've been looking at pro streets to try something different. Best looking 2-2 imo and they make power and save some weight too. Nice work, keep it coming 

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks guys for all the compliments . Im really excited to see how the pro streets do as well . Im a big 2-1 fan as well but im hoping that the duals pull out more up top . We will be doing some baffle mods to see what works best with this combo of parts . No doubt a weight savings as well , they are almost half the weight of my pro pipe chrome .

[No Cents]

   Josh...I posted a picture in this thread once before about the extra cam cover I've got sitting up on the shelf.
Apparently one of the mods thought I was trying to sell it to you and removed it    ...all I was doing was offering it to you if you wanted it. I guess that's not allowed on here for some reason.  I guess they didn't know we are friends.
It's a clear cover where you could see your S&S cam plate thru it.

   added later:
why did you remove the #2 stud...and go with a bolt?

[2006FXDCI]

Ray , there isnt enough clearance on the upper right dowel to use a socket to tighten the nut . If i would of known this ahead of time i would of clearanced the cam plate with a dremel . I had already installed the cams and had a bunch of assembly lube on everything when i found the clearance issue . I didnt want to risk contamination from grinding the clearance needed so i chose to remove the stud and go with a bolt . I like that cam cover of yours . Let me think it over , i still gotta pay for my tune and a shift light and the boss says im at the end of my spending spree 

[RXBOB]

Got a 107 Build happening in my shed now that we are planning on some good numbers

But looking forward to seeing how this beast turns out, love ya work so far

[Raleigh111]

Thanks guys for all the compliments . Im really excited to see how the pro streets do as well . Im a big 2-1 fan as well but im hoping that the duals pull out more up top . We will be doing some baffle mods to see what works best with this combo of parts . No doubt a weight savings as well , they are almost half the weight of my pro pipe chrome .

I will be watching and waiting also to see how those pro streets work on your 107. i am guessing the 2 into 1 fans will be shocked at the results. At least i hope so for your sake. Keep us informed and good luck. everything looks great!
Not sure if BVHOG got back to you on how they tuned on the dyno but i can tell you he sure was not complaining about them. i compared my build to a lot of other similar builds and the bottom end grunt was always there with those pipes. i will be very curious as how they work on your 107. i have not seen them on a lot of builds your size!
Robert.

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Raleigh ! My build will be using the 999-6 cams which were based off the 9b . My heads are flowing real well and we set it at 11.5 to 1 compression . I think with a little baffle tuning it should pull real well up top . Hopefully we find out in less than a month ! Ive always ran a 2-1 pipe but for $199 i couldnt resist buying a set of the pro streets .

[strokerjlk]

Thanks Raleigh ! My build will be using the 999-6 cams which were based off the 9b . My heads are flowing real well and we set it at 11.5 to 1 compression . I think with a little baffle tuning it should pull real well up top . Hopefully we find out in less than a month ! Ive always ran a 2-1 pipe but for $199 i couldnt resist buying a set of the pro streets .

Looking at Raleigh's sheet , you can see the baffle needs cut, in order to pull RPM's and make HP.
To run the RPM you are wanting to run , no baffle at all is where you will probably end up at .
Loud pipes save lives 

[Raleigh111]

Thanks Raleigh ! My build will be using the 999-6 cams which were based off the 9b . My heads are flowing real well and we set it at 11.5 to 1 compression . I think with a little baffle tuning it should pull real well up top . Hopefully we find out in less than a month ! Ive always ran a 2-1 pipe but for $199 i couldnt resist buying a set of the pro streets .

Looking at Raleigh's sheet , you can see the baffle needs cut, in order to pull RPM's and make HP.
To run the RPM you are wanting to run , no baffle at all is where you will probably end up at .
Loud pipes save lives 

Great point Jim! if i could of messed with them i may have but i dont live up there, just like to visit from time to time.

[strokerjlk]

Thanks Raleigh ! My build will be using the 999-6 cams which were based off the 9b . My heads are flowing real well and we set it at 11.5 to 1 compression . I think with a little baffle tuning it should pull real well up top . Hopefully we find out in less than a month ! Ive always ran a 2-1 pipe but for $199 i couldnt resist buying a set of the pro streets .

Looking at Raleigh's sheet , you can see the baffle needs cut, in order to pull RPM's and make HP.
To run the RPM you are wanting to run , no baffle at all is where you will probably end up at .
Loud pipes save lives 

Great point Jim! if i could of messed with them i may have but i dont live up there, just like to visit from time to time.

You are probably better off the way it is .Josh is gonna need to give up some bottom end , if he is gonna stretch the RPM's out like he wants .

[2006FXDCI]

Gonna ask Damon to tune it with the full baffle , then cut it in half and optimize the tune and the same with no baffle . I think it will be interesting to see where it makes the best aggregate torque and how much to the right i can shift the power . Im not worried about it being a little soft on the bottom . This bike is a handful to launch . Im using a smaller displacement than most of the sheets ive seen using the pro streets . I will be excited to see how the shape of the curve compares to the bigger CI motors .

[strokerjlk]

What no 1/4 baffle 

[2006FXDCI]

If he has time i will ask him to try the 1/4 

Added - If i have money im sure he has time 

[Raleigh111]

Thanks Raleigh ! My build will be using the 999-6 cams which were based off the 9b . My heads are flowing real well and we set it at 11.5 to 1 compression . I think with a little baffle tuning it should pull real well up top . Hopefully we find out in less than a month ! Ive always ran a 2-1 pipe but for $199 i couldnt resist buying a set of the pro streets .

Looking at Raleigh's sheet , you can see the baffle needs cut, in order to pull RPM's and make HP.
To run the RPM you are wanting to run , no baffle at all is where you will probably end up at .
Loud pipes save lives 

Great point Jim! if i could of messed with them i may have but i dont live up there, just like to visit from time to time.

You are probably better off the way it is .Josh is gonna need to give up some bottom end , if he is gonna stretch the RPM's out like he wants .

If he has time i will ask him to try the 1/4 

Added - If i have money im sure he has time 

How much longer do we have to wait? i think i am more excited then you to see how those tune with baffle mods

You are probably better off the way it is .Josh is gonna need to give up some bottom end , if he is gonna stretch the RPM's out like he wants .

Yes i agree jim.

[2006FXDCI]

My top end parts are supposed to be here tomorrow ! I took wednesday off to put it together . I have a friend who has built several drag race motors coming up to look over my shoulder as i assemble it . Hoping to have it at GMS for tuning by next weekend 

[RXBOB]

I am watching

[Hossamania]

Beaitiful.
a shame that will be covered.

I was going to say it doesn't have to be covered, but it looks like Ray has a set up for you. That really is some good looking hardware.
Looking forward to the results.

[strokerjlk]

My top end parts are supposed to be here tomorrow ! I took wednesday off to put it together . I have a friend who has built several drag race motors coming up to look over my shoulder as i assemble it . Hoping to have it at GMS for tuning by next weekend 

they will all be in bowling green this weekend ,you got plenty of time.

[1FSTRK]

Thanks Raleigh ! My build will be using the 999-6 cams which were based off the 9b . My heads are flowing real well and we set it at 11.5 to 1 compression . I think with a little baffle tuning it should pull real well up top . Hopefully we find out in less than a month ! Ive always ran a 2-1 pipe but for $199 i couldnt resist buying a set of the pro streets .

Looking at Raleigh's sheet , you can see the baffle needs cut, in order to pull RPM's and make HP.
To run the RPM you are wanting to run , no baffle at all is where you will probably end up at .
Loud pipes save lives 

Great point Jim! if i could of messed with them i may have but i dont live up there, just like to visit from time to time.

You are probably better off the way it is .Josh is gonna need to give up some bottom end , if he is gonna stretch the RPM's out like he wants .

Just curious what the target rpm and hp are for this build.

[2006FXDCI]

Jim , i talked to Damon today , he said exactly what you typed . He said they wont be home til late sunday into early monday . I received my parts today ! I will start assembly tomorrow . Going to start cleaning parts tonight . Eric , piston weight is fighting rpm's with my motor . I could of went allot lighter with the new CP's but i had to keep them real close to the original JE piston weight to maintain balance factor . I would like to see it pull to 6500 rpm's and i would be ecstatic if it makes 130hp 120tq . Im figuring on 125-115 real world #'

[IronMike113]

Looking great Josh,I bet it will do everything your looking for now,However one never has enough,I'm being to think your a POWER JUNKIE...........   

[No Cents]

 I see conical valve springs!   
Looks great Josh! 

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Ray !

[Raleigh111]

Jim , i talked to Damon today , he said exactly what you typed . He said they wont be home til late sunday into early monday . I received my parts today ! I will start assembly tomorrow . Going to start cleaning parts tonight . Eric , piston weight is fighting rpm's with my motor . I could of went allot lighter with the new CP's but i had to keep them real close to the original JE piston weight to maintain balance factor . I would like to see it pull to 6500 rpm's and i would be ecstatic if it makes 130hp 120tq . Im figuring on 125-115 real world #'

i bet you hit the 130 mark with this beast. cut those baffles up and hold on..

[1FSTRK]

Everything looks great. If you are not in the shop assembling that monster already you should be.
Not sure where your getting the hp numbers but I would have to go with Raleigh111 on the hp minimum.
The caliber of the parts and the over all combination is up there with the best of them, unless I missed something 140's at 6400 rpm would be my target for hot street/strip use. Spend the time and money to work the pipe and baffle and I bet you will be smiling on dyno day.

[No Cents]

      ...with Eric!
Josh...with those conical springs I think your going to find that your engine will even rev a few hundred rpm's higher. 

[strokerjlk]

Time and money wise , Tune it without the baffles first to hit the highest RPM's .
1/4 baffle for when ya want to sneek around the hood.

[1FSTRK]

Based on what I have seen in the past, my opinion is those pipes are too long for peak power at the track.
I would use a set of stock 88" twin cam dyna head pipes with nothing on them for peak HP/TQ numbers on track day.

[NCTURBOS]

Details on the seat, please...

K.

[2006FXDCI]

Well guys after 10 straight hours ive got the new engine together ! Everything fit exactly as it should . Using .020" base gaskets and .030" head gaskets i ended up with .035" squish on the front cylinder and .036" on the rear . Should have me right around 11.4 to 1 . Jim , i think i will take your advice and have Damon pull the baffles and  start from there . Thanks Ray and Eric , im trying to stay down to earth on my expectations but i would love to see it make the #'s you guys are predicting ! NC turbo , the seat is a saddleman dominator . Here are some pics of my progress today

[2006FXDCI]

Ive never used the S&S premiums with limiters before . That why the indicator is on the rocker arm in the one pic . I didnt want to screw it up so i used the indicator to show me when the valve was opening .

[Raleigh111]

Well guys after 10 straight hours ive got the new engine together ! Everything fit exactly as it should . Using .020" base gaskets and .030" head gaskets i ended up with .035" squish on the front cylinder and .036" on the rear . Should have me right around 11.4 to 1 . Jim , i think i will take your advice and have Damon pull the baffles and  start from there . Thanks Ray and Eric , im trying to stay down to earth on my expectations but i would love to see it make the #'s you guys are predicting ! NC turbo , the seat is a saddleman dominator . Here are some pics of my progress today

Looks great! Nothing wrong with double checking. I also really liked jims idea of just starting with no baffle and working it down. I am really excited to see what happens!

[1FSTRK]

Looks great.
I am actually starting to feel bad for what that new rear chain is about to go through. It has no idea whats coming.

[Durwood]

Looking great Josh!! 

[No Cents]

 Josh...no more dirty boot laces.  [attach=0]
Use rubber bands with paper clips on the ends to slip inside the tubes.

[2006FXDCI]

Got the bike finished up today ! It sounds awesome , valve train is super quiet ! Thank you rocker lockers ! I want to say thanks to all the members on here who have helped me out through this process ! Ive done my 3 heat cycles , its going to the dyno on monday . Heres a video of the 2nd startup , i was to chicken $hit to film the 1st one !
http://youtu.be/aoKRzPnveDM

[No Cents]

 sounds healthy Josh! 

[98fxstc]

Josh...no more dirty boot laces.  [attach=0]
Use rubber bands with paper clips on the ends to slip inside the tubes.

[IronMike113]

Yes it does sound Healthy,We will be waiting patiently.......... 

Especially at the track 🏍💨💨💨💨💨💨

[joe_lyons]

Did it pump up oil pressure pretty quick?

[2006FXDCI]

It did Joe . Three 10 second bursts with the starter and plugs out and the oil light went off . Fired it up the first time and it was dead quiet , no lifter chatter at all .

[TXChop]

Sounds like a beast! Nice job on the assembly! Keep us posted!

[Durwood]

Sounds wicked 

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Dan and Daren ! It was a blast to build , cant wait to see the outcome once its tuned !

[1FSTRK]

Looks and sounds great.
Which HPI TB and manifold?
CCP?

[No Cents]

    Josh...I highly suggest to do a leak down and ccp test to it before going off and having it tuned.
I've learned this the hard way from the past by not doing a leak down test prior to having my bike tuned.
Even with freshly bored and honed cylinders with new piston rings I found out later the hard way that my engine wasn't sealing properly.
It will never happen to me again. This will be a check that won't go over looked by me on any engine I assemble.

Ray

[2006FXDCI]

Its a 55mm with 1.800" runners . Heads have the bottom of the intake ports welded up so they are a raised port . Ray , i dont have a CCP gauge . Definitely on my list of tools to buy ! I will have my tuner check ccp before he gets started tuning and do one after he's done . Thanks for all the compliments guys .

[No Cents]

 personally I think the leak down test is more critical.
It will tell you how well the engine is sealing up. CCP's would not be that much of a concern to me if the engine seemed to roll over easy and start fine.

Ray

[Don D]

Why is this so "critical"?

[Matt C]

I wouldn't bother with leak down unless the compression test comes up short. Keep records of the compression
readings too, they'll come in handy later on. (Get your own gage)

[No Cents]

 I would do a leak down test before and after it is tuned...and one later on in his race season.
I would keep the records to see if the engine is sealed up properly...and stays sealed up thru out it's race year.

[2006FXDCI]

I will have my tuner check both during tuning . I dont have an air compressor so im kinda screwed doing the test at my house    I could tell at the end of last year that my engine was getting tired , had around 30,000 miles on it . I will be ecstatic to get some track time and 500-1000 miles on the street per year for a few years out of it .

[N-gin]

Sounds healthy!
Chomping at the bit to see the results.
How much were the intake runners raised?

How much is gained by doing raised ports?
Was anything done to the exhaust ports?

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks NGin ! Ports were raised approx 3/8" . I believe it is beneficial in raising velocity and giving the air/fuel mix a straighter shot into the valve . Im not sure how much is gained but i do know that the R&R stage V heads and the wild things heads both have raised intake ports . The exhaust side porting was untouched this time around , just went from a 1.630" exhaust valve to a 1.610" .

[2006FXDCI]

The dyna is loaded on the trailer and ready to go to GMS racing tomorrow to start tuning   
Also got my raptor performance shift light installed .

[No Cents]

 I'm excited for you! 
I think your going to be very happy with the outcome.

Ray

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Ray ! Just heard Gregg Dahl made it into the finals at Bowling Green . Hope he brings some magic back for my bike !

[IronMike113]

Well Josh you might ending up taking the edge off with a few cocktails tonight 🍻 Good luck
Make sure and go over your Dyno to do list......... 

[Raleigh111]

Good luck today. Hope all the hard work pays off!
Can't wait to see dyno with different baffles on those pipes.

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Raleigh ! Bike is at GMS racing , tuning will begin tomorrow    Also wanted to add that i rode the bike from the trailer to the back of the shop to pull it inside . The bandit clutch is by FAR the best feeling clutch ive ever used ! All i can say is smoooooth ! Only had the bike in 2nd gear to around 2500 rpm's , felt real good with the new break in tune provided by one of the baddest A$$ tuners on the planet ! Thanks JK

[No Cents]

 Josh...no sleep for you tonight 
I'm 

Ray

[Raleigh111]

the suspense is killing me! 

[1FSTRK]

Thanks NGin ! Ports were raised approx 3/8" . I believe it is beneficial in raising velocity and giving the air/fuel mix a straighter shot into the valve . Im not sure how much is gained but i do know that the R&R stage V heads and the wild things heads both have raised intake ports . The exhaust side porting was untouched this time around , just went from a 1.630" exhaust valve to a 1.610" .

I did not see the raised ports in previous posts, not a fan of the welding but no doubt that raising the port improves flow and velocity. Is to too late to up my power prediction?

[2006FXDCI]

Eric , its not too late ! I havent heard anything from my tuner as of yet . Weather around here isnt going to help any with the end results . Its supposed to rain and have high humidity for the next week or so .

[joe_lyons]

The correction factor that the dyno will come up with will help out with that

[strokerjlk]

Eric , its not too late ! I havent heard anything from my tuner as of yet . Weather around here isnt going to help any with the end results . Its supposed to rain and have high humidity for the next week or so .

Damon said early next week he would have some numbers . I got anxious too . 
Sleep well my friend . 

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Jim ! Im as anxious as can be ! Its gonna be a loooong weekend waiting to hear the results 

[Raleigh111]

Well since we have to wait I'm putting out my final prediction maybe to embarrass my self? Who cares.
139.8 hp over 6k no baffles
128 tq

There will be a prize awarded to winner..

[2006FXDCI]

I hope youre right Raleigh !! I would be ecstatic with those numbers !! I will have to look on my parts shelf to come up with a prize for person closest to actual numbers 

[Raleigh111]

I hope youre right Raleigh !! I would be ecstatic with those numbers !! I will have to look on my parts shelf to come up with a prize for person closest to actual numbers 

Whats it going to be? maybe a 66 tooth rear pulley from 2007 08 bike? OH wait, everyone all ready threw those away.

Cant wait to hear results. No stopping you from that 11 patch now.

[2006FXDCI]

Hmm ive got a couple 70 tooth rears and a 30 tooth tranny pulley 

[rigidthumper]

128TQ 136 HP STD correction

[Raleigh111]

Hmm ive got a couple 70 tooth rears and a 30 tooth tranny pulley 

now your talking!

i bet when you started this thread you did not think it would go 6 pages and have illegal betting going on before you even got the bike of the dyno.

[CowboyTutt]

132 HP, 124 TQ.  -A- 

[Raleigh111]

Hmm ive got a couple 70 tooth rears and a 30 tooth tranny pulley 

maybe 2 prizes? 70 tooth for closet hp, 30 tooth closet tq

[Just Nick]

Josh when will we all get word on your tune hopefully tomorrow ?

[2006FXDCI]

He did some light throttle stuff on friday . Should start leaning on it some between monday and tuesday .

[Raleigh111]

He did some light throttle stuff on friday . Should start leaning on it some between monday and tuesday .

maybe today we will see some progress?

[2006FXDCI]

Im hoping to get an update later today 

[RXBOB]

I have been checking this thread everyday for week waiting on the dyno sheet

looking forward to this

[strokerjlk]

Im hoping to get an update later today 

i heard where it pulled to rpm wise ,with the baffles in 

[2006FXDCI]

Got a small update today ! Finally started doing some WOT runs with the full baffles in and it pulled out 125hp 120tq SAE !! Motor is making power to just past 6000 rpm's then goes flat but doesnt lose any power . Tomorrow the baffles are coming out and he will start tuning again . A little birdie told me i should gain 6-11 hp without the baffles . Im so excited to see how it finishes up ! If i can get into the 130hp club on my lil 107" with only a .590" lift cam i will be ecstatic !!

[strokerjlk]

Got a small update today ! Finally started doing some WOT runs with the full baffles in and it pulled out 125hp 120tq SAE !! Motor is making power to just past 6000 rpm's then goes flat but doesnt lose any power . Tomorrow the baffles are coming out and he will start tuning again . A little birdie told me i should gain 6-11 hp without the baffles . Im so excited to see how it finishes up ! If i can get into the 130hp club on my lil 107" with only a .590" lift cam i will be ecstatic !!

...... .... .... ...angry bike 

[Raleigh111]

Got a small update today ! Finally started doing some WOT runs with the full baffles in and it pulled out 125hp 120tq SAE !! Motor is making power to just past 6000 rpm's then goes flat but doesnt lose any power . Tomorrow the baffles are coming out and he will start tuning again . A little birdie told me i should gain 6-11 hp without the baffles . Im so excited to see how it finishes up ! If i can get into the 130hp club on my lil 107" with only a .590" lift cam i will be ecstatic !!

hum, climbing to 6000.... no baffles--climb to 6500 sounds like 135 that be very good!!!
sounds like those pro streets are working on that little old 107! cant wait to see baffles out!!

[IronMike113]

Where do we get to place our Bets......... 

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Raleigh ! Im as excited as can be ! Tomorrow cant come fast enough for me ! Mike , place your bets right here , i will come up with some kind of gag gift for the closest guess SAE .

[RXBOB]

YEAH BOI

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Troy !

[strokerjlk]

you wouldn't happen to be off work the weekend of the 14'th ,and going to the track ?

[2006FXDCI]

Why yes i am Jim ! Hoping that is my first runs on the new motor ! They are having a harley show and shine and grudge racing on the 15th as well 

[strokerjlk]

Why yes i am Jim ! Hoping that is my first runs on the new motor ! They are having a harley show and shine and grudge racing on the 15th as well 

I am gonna be in town. no bike to race tho......
if mamma will calm down enough after i break the news to her about going to the track...... maybe ,I can get to the track.

[2006FXDCI]

That would be so awesome to get to meet you Jim ! Hell if you got the itch you can run my dyna down the track to show me what it can really do with a pro rider 

[strokerjlk]

That would be so awesome to get to meet you Jim ! Hell if you got the itch you can run my dyna down the track to show me what it can really do with a pro rider 

i always got the itch 

maybe we can get a grudge race with Kadafi.$$$$

[2006FXDCI]

Oh no ! I was drooling all over his bike the other day ! Carbon fiber everything ! His back wheel and tire weigh about 10lbs ! Twin 70mm Tbodies and a motor that would pull a freighliner down the interstate  I sure hope i get to see that beast run , im not sure if there is a faster bagger on the planet !

[Raleigh111]

another day of waiting for little birdies to spread rumors or maybe fact about what may come out of that little 107 with no baffles. cant stand waiting its killing me.

[2006FXDCI]

Well guys bike is finished ! Tuner pulled the baffles this morning and lost 12tq and 2hp    Motor didnt want any timing with the baffles pulled and the ion sensing was going crazy . So we decided to put the baffles back in and call it done for now . First race is less than 2 weeks away , ive got to get some seat time on this bike . Next year i might try fabbing up a custom exhaust and see if it helps . The concensus is that i have some reversion going on with the baffles pulled out . I might even try welding in a balance tube between my headers and see if it helps . As for now the dyna is done and ready to go ! Im elated at how it all turned out and i cant wait to see what it does at the track ! Here is my sheet


The winner of the hp/tq guess was Brian (OhioHD) it is eerie how close he was to predicting the final outcome

[Raleigh111]

Has almost identical  tq line as this build?
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,85134.msg982076.html#msg982076
i am sure it will not be noticeable and maybe ok for the track? tire spin? "Potty mouth" it is still almost 100tq at 2000, just has better tq later on.
Cant figure out why mine did not have that? maybe stroker will shed some light on it? I do not think i have ever seen pro streets go up hp wise after 5500?
At least now you wont have sneak around the neighborhood.
Still very impressive numbers for a 107 and you should be proud.
Great job and thanks for taking the time to share all the information..

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Raleigh ! Im not at all worried about the (dip) , thats right about at the rpm i come off the line at .

[Raleigh111]

Thanks Raleigh ! Im not at all worried about the (dip) , thats right about at the rpm i come off the line at .

yea, im no drag racer but i was kinda thinking after i posted that you would not even be in that area. still 100 tq at 2000 is 
between 4000 and 5500 is 

[2006FXDCI]

I agree ! It ought to make it a little easier to come of the line not having a mountain of torque .

[No Cents]

 nice job Josh! 
that will be a runner!

Ray

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Ray !

[1FSTRK]

 
A job well done. Great thread, thanks for sharing
That should keep you smiling until you get a chance to run it at the track and the smile will get even bigger.

[RXBOB]

Josh, sensational 107build mate Kudos. ( I have done several now that have all just been shy of 120hp and tq)

My question to you and the rest of the punters is what to you think is stopping it from making power past 5500rpm?

I am just finishing of a 107 build now set at 11.2 comp, CNC ported heads with a SE266 cam and a Supertrapp 2:1 exhaust with a goal of making power to the rev limiter.

Ohh and have "Potty mouth" loads of fun at the strip mate

[Admiral Akbar]

 

Nice TQ curve..

[Raleigh111]

Josh, sensational 107build mate Kudos. ( I have done several now that have all just been shy of 120hp and tq)

My question to you and the rest of the punters is what to you think is stopping it from making power past 5500rpm?

I am just finishing of a 107 build now set at 11.2 comp, CNC ported heads with a SE266 cam and a Supertrapp 2:1 exhaust with a goal of making power to the rev limiter.

Ohh and have "Potty mouth" loads of fun at the strip mate

has anyone seen these pipes carry much past 5500? there is defiantly i very similar curve horspower and tq for every dyno chart i have seen with them.  More noticeable on the tq curve..

[2006FXDCI]

Thank you Eric , Troy and Max ! I truly believe the exhaust is holding it back . There is no way that motor is hanging at the same HP for almost 1000 rpm's without the exhaust holding it back . My tuner didn't have the time this go round to get down and dirty modding the baffles . I will take it back down after some seat time and work the baffles to see what it can make . I'm not saying there is a bunch left in it but i'm guessing 5-10 HP is achievable . It was a joy to build this motor with lots of help from the members on here ! I would like to thank Don , and Jim for all their guidance and patience with me .

[strokerjlk]

Josh, sensational 107build mate Kudos. ( I have done several now that have all just been shy of 120hp and tq)

My question to you and the rest of the punters is what to you think is stopping it from making power past 5500rpm?

I am just finishing of a 107 build now set at 11.2 comp, CNC ported heads with a SE266 cam and a Supertrapp 2:1 exhaust with a goal of making power to the rev limiter.

Ohh and have "Potty mouth" loads of fun at the strip mate

has anyone seen these pipes carry much past 5500? there is defiantly i very similar curve horspower and tq for every dyno chart i have seen with them.  More noticeable on the tq curve..

not much past 5500. but past 5500
Josh's has the potential to make 131/121 looking at his sheet. probably more with a 1/4 baffle.
probably more with his 662-2 cams 

[pwmorris]

Plenty of power from a 107"-
My 126" rebuild liked my baffle in as well-easier to tune, didn't lose much at all, and the torque was the strongest.
Did you ask Dahl at GMS what he thought?
There is always more-bigger cam, more compression, better head etc. but it comes down to how far you want to push it. You sure it's the pipe holding it back at 5,500 and not the rest of the build?

I do like that it keeps pulling and pulling at peak..look at a lot of builds posted that fade away at peak. Gonna make it easier to gear your peak shift light thru the traps, as you can just keep it WFO at 1:1 and it isn't nosing over.

[Raleigh111]

Plenty of power from a 107"-
My 126" rebuild liked my baffle in as well-easier to tune, didn't lose much at all, and the torque was the strongest.
Did you ask Dahl at GMS what he thought?
There is always more-bigger cam, more compression, better head etc. but it comes down to how far you want to push it. You sure it's the pipe holding it back at 5,500 and not the rest of the build?

I do like that it keeps pulling and pulling at peak..look at a lot of builds posted that fade away at peak. Gonna make it easier to gear your peak shift light thru the traps, as you can just keep it WFO at 1:1 and it isn't nosing over.

Josh, sensational 107build mate Kudos. ( I have done several now that have all just been shy of 120hp and tq)

My question to you and the rest of the punters is what to you think is stopping it from making power past 5500rpm?

I am just finishing of a 107 build now set at 11.2 comp, CNC ported heads with a SE266 cam and a Supertrapp 2:1 exhaust with a goal of making power to the rev limiter.

Ohh and have "Potty mouth" loads of fun at the strip mate

has anyone seen these pipes carry much past 5500? there is defiantly i very similar curve horspower and tq for every dyno chart i have seen with them.  More noticeable on the tq curve..

not much past 5500. but past 5500
Josh's has the potential to make 131/121 looking at his sheet. probably more with a 1/4 baffle.
probably more with his 662-2 cams 

i do not see how anything else could be holding it back? like stroker said, exhaust and cams. good thing for josh is those are easy to test and dyno as he has put the motor together first class. i was going to open my big mouth and say something about 9b but im glad jim mentioned 662-2 essentially the same thing. i think a little more lift and tad later intake close will be ok. those heads should take advantage of it.. 9bg or 662-2 will like his compression ratio. a lot of potty mouth about 9bg and noise? mine is quiet and thats with s&s prem lifters and  axtel oil bypass.. maybe woods changed something in ramp?  still need to figure out exhaust past 5500 though? now the fun begins lol

[1FSTRK]

There is definitely more in this combination with a tuned pipe. Dynas are tough to get a good balance of length and volume. As I said back a few pages if you want good pipes for the track you need to shorten them up from what you have, and the old stock head pipes are a good starting point.

Here is a 95" Dyna similar level build just smaller CI.

With VH pipes


Then with tuned pipes made from the original head pipes

[RXBOB]

Thank you Eric , Troy and Max ! I truly believe the exhaust is holding it back . There is no way that motor is hanging at the same HP for almost 1000 rpm's without the exhaust holding it back . My tuner didn't have the time this go round to get down and dirty modding the baffles . I will take it back down after some seat time and work the baffles to see what it can make . I'm not saying there is a bunch left in it but i'm guessing 5-10 HP is achievable . It was a joy to build this motor with lots of help from the members on here ! I would like to thank Don , and Jim for all their guidance and patience with me .

I wish I was in the neighbour hood as I would lend you my pipe to see how it would work on your bike

[2006FXDCI]

Eric , that is great data ! Thank you for posting that . Damon did tell me he had a nice stash of pipes from drag bikes of the past . He has graciously offered me some more dyno time trying out a few sets ! Troy , i would love to try that beautiful exhaust you have on my bike ! That thing is a work of art ! Im not done yet guys , there is more there and i will do my best to find it . Even if i have to have 2 maps to do it , one for the street with the bassani's and one for a set of all out nasty drag pipes . Thank you for the compliments as well Paul . I dont have much data to support my statement about the exhaust , more of a hunch than anything . Mostly based on the fact that you dont see a motor hanging on that long at peak power . It wants to do something , just gotta figure out how to get it there    I would really like to try a 1"-2" spacer inbetween my throttle body and intake to see if a bit longer intake tract would help 

[vdop]

Looks good, that'll be fun. I agree on the exhaust. Haven't seen any sheets from that exhaust really pulling past 5500. The way it goes flat looks like the motor wants to keep making power and the exhaust won't let it. This is pretty common with most off the shelf 2-2s. Imo by cutting down the baffles you're going to start losing more torque than you'll want to give up. I'll be that guy and say I think a good 2-1 will give you the best all around tq curve and peak hp numbers for the street and track. You'd probably give up a little on the very bottom but do better from 3k up. A shorter stainless 2-1 won't be twice the weight of the pro streets like most.

[Durwood]

Looks great Josh, that Dyna is going to rip!!!

[pwmorris]

. There is no way that motor is hanging at the same HP for almost 1000 rpm's without the exhaust holding it back . My tuner didn't have the time this go round to get down and dirty modding the baffles . I will take it back down after some seat time and work the baffles to see what it can make . I'm not saying there is a bunch left in it but i'm guessing 5-10 HP is achievable.

There might be more there, but maybe not. It's is making really good HP for a street 107" at your compression/cam/ head level.
You would have to test and test with different pipe combos to see what the motor likes and what it doesn't. Bigger stepped duals, a pro level 2-1 etc. You pulled the baffle which removed any restriction inside the pipe and it still didn't make more-it lost some.
A pipe change might help, or as I said, it could be a pipe/cam/head/compression motor combo limitation, as in its current form, this is what it makes, more or less.
My point was just cause the motor goes to a certain point and stays there (which I really like), and doesn't nose over immediately, doesn't mean its necessarily a pipe issue. Here are just a few of quite a few examples I found (street/hot street and race, different cubic inch and different head/cam/pipe/compression combos)-these pipes worked with these motor combos very well, went to peak, and kept pulling...a couple are my old motors and one is Mike's old bike and I know the extensive pipe testing that went into them. Don't matter if its a 120 hp motor-or a 220 hp motor, the total combo of parts in the build, along with gear ratio, sumping (or not), valvetrain, clutch, parasitic drivetrain loss, etc. (along with the pipe), dictate when, where, how much and for how long at peak hp the combo makes.
My current motor also makes peak at 6,400 but carries straight across to 6,800 and doesn't nose over at peak. I love it that way, pulling and pulling...

I think you are gonna really like how the bike pulls to redline, and stays there-not nosing over...as I said gonna make your gearing and shift points much easier to stay in your powerband-

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks for posting those graphs Paul , they look very similar to mine . You just dont see it that often on these hot street builds , usually fall off pretty fast . I put around 100 miles on the bike today , it is an absolute blast to ride ! The low speed manners are good and once you break past 3500 it pulls REAL hard ! I got it good and warmed up and did a few practice launches from 2000 up to around 3200 rpm's . It likes it up higher than before , if i can sack up i would like to try close to 4000 . The bandit clutch works awesome and is flawless to operate . I set my shift light to 4000 rpm's and launched severeral times shifting clutchless was effortless ! It was only around 50 degrees here and i couldnt get the shinko stealth to spin with 30 psi in it , it hooks up great ! So far everything is working as should and all my expectations have been met . Sure i would of liked to seen 5 more hp out of it but im real happy with it as is . Hoping for good weather next weekend to spend some time at the track !

[jam65]

Great news to hear when the customer is happy with the finished product. Have fun and enjoy your summer.

[2006FXDCI]

Thanks Jay , i hope you have a great year at the track as well .

[IronMike113]

PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE

[N-gin]

Sounds fun!

[Latrobedyna]

 

[strokerjlk]

That would be so awesome to get to meet you Jim ! Hell if you got the itch you can run my dyna down the track.

mother nature wasn't kind to us [size=78%] [/size]

it's gonna work out so we can race together someday. maybe next time momma decides to go back to the burg we can do it.

[2006FXDCI]

That would be so awesome to get to meet you Jim ! Hell if you got the itch you can run my dyna down the track.

mother nature wasn't kind to us [size=78%] [/size]

it's gonna work out so we can race together someday. maybe next time momma decides to go back to the burg we can do it.

Jim , the weather did indeed suck    I was really hoping to get to hang out with you and get some tutoring at the track . Hopefully sometime soon we can get together and make some passes